thanks to all of you for being here sowe have a very illustrious panel and a lot to talk about but when we start bytalking about last night so the oscars there was a lot of discussion aboutdiversity in hollywood's going over the last few months prompted by the lack ofnominations for non way doctors at the same time by the way things to be havingthe most diverse season it has ever had so what i want to ask you always do youthink there's something fundamentally different between what's going on onbroadway and what's going on in hollywood or is this just an anomaly ofthis year i i'm happy to last year's tourney look exactly like this year'soscars
it impossible to predict the season itcomes down to three broadway owners who have all the details it comes to what'sready and what's in the pipeline it is lovely accident that by myself exampleis in the same feeling as allegiance and on your feet and suck along color purplelol this incredible casts with not only physically but creative teams of colorthat's a wonderful thing i'm really proud to be a part of it perhaps a bitof time at a wonderful actor in the timing but ourselves on the back toheart that's that's my opinion it is our job not just sort of figure out plans ajob it to me and when we land is where we land and i'm happy to a landed atthis moment i do have to say though the
man well and his changing oscar madesure that it fun home we were in separate occasions because icould have usually come in and in choosing not to they allowed a certain other kind ofdiversity because you know fun home i don't get exactly what you think you nothave to look back on one who was but a butch protagonist in a musical i neverthought in my in my lifetime that they thought would happen in a musical everyou know why i think the things that we were trying to do with caroline orchange it seems miraculous but i also feel like we were there are people wewatch out for each other as best we can
you can't always do that but that's whatthey did and so they made sure that that happened for us and i thought divided upbecause i think that there is a template let me say positive there's not a lotfor everyone but that's not true sometimes you just have to make surethat the design works that way so you nodding earlier you're obviously tellinga story that's unusual for broadway tell me a little about your thoughts on this not just think i was going to winbecause i mean really you can put yourself back we can be a community wehad 10 things you know because it can be that type of fluctuation that you knowyou chris rock was referring to a little
bit in his speech yesterday in hisopening monologue which is important to the point where sometimes there isnothing in many many years ago we did a little diversity and then it comes outin person ever seen but it happened anyway with broadway i will tell youanother time enormously proud of the season i was a part of that the publicwhere which i think what's been most diverse season i've ever seen fromsoftware company under it was me understand and and susan will part withan incredibly diverse season creators not as creators that's that's if youlook at the conversations been happy hollywood that's where the changehappens it's about creating opportunity
and that's that's where it starts tosell i was very proud of that so well programs do you thinkthat would but i can't speak to broadway because i dont program for broadwayprogram to the public and then some shows move uptown but at the public it'sintentional there's no question that we are very intentionally trying to say howdo we make our season shows actually reflect the diversity of this countryactually give voice to people who don't have a voice actually try and change thenarrative of who gets to be the subject of the story who gets to be not theobject of history but the subject of it and the public's been trying to do thatsince joe perhaps founded it intensified
their efforts under my predecessorgeorge welfare did a spectacular job of changing the complexion of the theaterand we still try to do it i'd like to think that it's not just accidental thatwhat's actually happening is that now in the commercial world after much broaderreach is beginning to be a recognition that the audience is changing the demandfor it actually the world they live in to be reflected on stage is changingthat that is something i hope this is not just a seasonal variation is tryingto make it's a seasonal original work on broadway him into making money it a trybecause when that's the message it sends to producers is you do not have to relyon a formula do not have to rely on an
adaptation of a well-loved product youcan seek answers and make money for investors in this business and that'snot that's more productions like that happen i want to double back to you thisyear just this year we've seen criticism of the manhattan theatre club of a lackof women play raids in dublin the abbey theatre had to apologize for lack ofwomen playwrights and england's better-known was pilloried for havingalways ask for the war of the roses is this kind of public scrutiny new isthis a new factor for artistic directors and what is the burden on you as youstart to assemble a season i think it's new but i think it's intense assign ithink it's a good thing that it's
intensified intensified on me i actuallywe've just taken criticism for some forecasting in a show about transgenderpeople got some actual transgender actors and some cysts gender actorsplaying transgender role so a lot of commentary that has stood up discussionit's been exciting and useful in one of my friends should said to me at onepoint you know i'm just so sorry that you doing this could work which arebeing persecuted for it said well hang on a sec i might just directed at thepublic theater i'm not actually persecuted and being criticized which isa beautiful sight that's exactly what the democracies based on so it does feel
feels like it's a dive into an embraceand get messy about and make mistakes about you know that's the theater isbased on the idea that dialogue is sometimes you don't read books insteadsomething else but i think it's also you know one of the reasons i really lovedworking at the public is this idea that an art you don't make mistakes is aridiculous thing that i was saying to my students because i teach in order to noteverywhere it again that that you know they are spectacularly and i think thefailure is you are part of the conversation unique brave decisions and somehowsomeone is going to say wait a minute
there is this the language that you'reusing you said you cannot kids really why well because this and shekinah atmusical theatre fact it was saying to have to resolve these new techniques forchange gender rd but that she is teaching because if there is now there'sa need for it and i thought i would never have thought of that that's whyyou do something to reveal the things you never would have thought of on yourown so one person's persecution is the beginning of a dialogue we can avoidconflict there be no drama on the stage often stage without that like me but ithink about the public when i really
love that you're doing is saying let'smeet townhall let's let's be better let's challenge the way we were educatedand be better so let's back up a little the thing that links your three showsthat at some stage in their development you're all at the public theater so helpme understand what did you gain from your time at the public what did youlearn and what change or you're so close and ijust do that shows the previews now clips about to open on broadwaycongratulations and then it was done in london and i ididnt get better but i got to london and i was in this room with these women andwhen i landed the ensemble women that
come together you know and i will removethese women who are different parts of the dice for a largely course london theroyal caribbean africa and an irish director woman and that's why she wasneeded that and then you know we got together for the public in that happenand when i wasn't a whole lot of money and business kind of the most excitingcomponent to the plate told me i had 11 delicate but getting into the public atthat moment i have eyes that i also have a whole new bunch of different areasthat will really deeply and some you know the artistic director john wardinvolved in others checking every now and then and some aredeeply involved
and because you have that type ofcollaboration and support and it's very immediate and between him and mandy waskind of an amazing we're committed i did the right thing that was that was tothink there were like a problem for the player need for years but i hadn't hadthe pressure to look at yet collaborated and well being able to bein in that case and the amount of diversity in the building at the time toactually play was directed by robert o'hara and he will down the hall with aplay he'd he'd written and times their communion hope and it was really specialbargain and i was coming from russia and china lion and out like a human you knowthe environment she could not have been
you know and and i think that the playgot a place where i was like i am now i think im done it's a trend has a great ijust had to say that many had my surgery was really crucial to that each of these as a director attached toit how do you know when to intervene when tobacco went to accept thisagreement i don't intervene ever i like to thinki'm just more or less helpful the reality is that the biggest part ofmy job is selecting what we do and i was doing and that's by far the mostimportant thing that i do is just take the show's help the cast and once thosechoices made those artists do incredible
work in but i like to think there was abiography of foreign wilder number of years ago called the enthusiast and ilike to think that i just hope somebody says that because it actually feels likethe great privilege is that all of these artists work of their work i'm notpretending to love not loving the job i genuinely love their work and trying todo is for you ok if they want to do and there's noroom completely different and sometimes it works pretty well and sometimes itdoes sometimes as long as it's actually the job is to help become real and notbecome as perfectly themselves as possible which is certainly something ifeel like i'm so proud of that show
isn't imitating anything all of itsinfluences have dropped away because you guys kept working and kept working andcame up with something that was three projects is the one that has the mostduring its time in the public i mean i know it was there was a sceneat the funeral i know that you are with dell's cartoons and how can you talk alittle about how so changes i work with tony kushner deeplya tiny but i met oskar part of telling changes written in oscar's home inprovidence and when we started writing and 23rd you know this is not doinganything like what we end up with because i was questioned i didn'tunderstand his rewriting process and so
change i understood how to write quicklyand as well as possibly in response to what you put in front of a pain has tobe a paying audience and what happened with us fun home in the upstairs that thing thati love about the public is invited into you know a home game home and you goupstairs bedrooms and everybody else is making their stuff and then you comedown to the living room where we went down to the river and then you go toanother theater and all the while you invite people in and we changed it andchanged it was very tricky for me was we had ours invective there it was herfamily it wasn't just a show we were
reviewing something about her family andfor the first time she and her brothers together during a preview the theaterand that's when i thought oh this show is not just about getting the dramawrote it about revealing something about people's lives it matters in a way thati before and that that was why we shed so many tears and their own lots of two years about it because we just wanted toreveal it to you know was and it had already existed as a book and the bookwas was so beautiful so well received and it was a life it's a family and alife a lot of bruises neighbors and causing they all came emulate the manwho drove the ambulance and pick bruce
up after his suicide he came to see theshow and then it took me three all those times we were at the love the love is agenius way to go out of town without going out of town people pay $15 andit's so light on it so you can change something immediately and you say to thepianist who eventually wants to just murder you here's a new song and and hewill say i do you put it in and then seeing this great thing and he would gointo the live audience and say you know you're gonna leave here and you're gonnasee this show needs work and you're going to be right and it just you andthe audience going okay and then we would need and then re-invited theorchestra but it was the first time that
i thought oh this is what developmentthis is one specific example before you go so the most famous song in the showwith your collaborator was talking on a panel at problem and she did she sayabout me i knew it initially she thought the songwas a terrible idea she was worried that you were to the possibility that thesong was going to make fun of lesbians and that was sexualizing a child andthat audiences which have both of those elements she said she was well as hedeferred to you you are a genius and it worked out well come to that songknowing that it was that there were lots of ways that could go wrong i was reallynaive i thought that because i had a
certain kind of tough childhood but ihad been not you know what turns out i'm endowed with other things i didn't knowuntil i started working with lisa and i realized that what people my age becausei and people in their error to be gay they couldn't hold hands with someone inhigh school and write little things and all that stuff that we do know and andsay something as a consequence to that it's not that you just robbed of it andit's going to come out in the in the spiritual physics it coming out laterwith the physics of repression it doesn't come out equally consult hundredthat's what was so amazing and i thought i didn't realize so many of these thingsand i will these girls have to use my
mom and she said on they'll find outwhat the lilac i thought i don't know what you're talking about we have towrite this and then i started going to see theater with him in movies where thebush woman comes on as a joke and then i got and i was with me said somethingthat we saw what happened again and she i saw two years going on about whatshe's talking about it so well and so are hunted and in the panel talkingabout it with someone today the ring yes and because my daughter like my belovedsiena when she was young she would always play with these shiny and i saidto me so i think about the keys the shape that she anything that was hopingall those doors like the janitors and
maybe genitals in my school is importantbut a lot of doors and and i thought it but will be used to it that will bringand and we'll we'll get there and we just established this unbelievable iguess the way that i can empower because i had not been excluded in her trust inme that we would we would collaborate and write it really well so we traveledtogether let no one asked you about hamilton and how it evolved it had a fewchapters before the public at a significant tempted there let me ask youfirst about the water was their water at the end and you begin at the public likepeople we had under notion was tommy's notionwhich is a beautiful one building
something and at the end of this year wewouldn't see the washington monument you'd see the beginning of thecontemporary and so there was this with letting cool and hamilton analyze thatended in the reflecting pool and so it was it was two previous happened because i ended up writing thewhole thing which is not going to just happened and so tiny really was my otherside of my brain he called on the turkey is the one who is out in the audienceand tells me something's working with its not so get it he's a liar i mean thedecision in the south and time again the so brilliantly is about eliminating anydistance between this story which
happened with older white men on yourmoney and and a contemporary on making the people will to us for the amount oftime we get to spend with them so anything of distance does went away andand and one of the first things we cut we came in 30 hours refers to public notwe do not want to outlast winners of the wii loveliness was one of the best person i've everwritten which was something i did it was hamilton's response to dan adams adamswhile the bus was great we never see so and so you know we had a bunch of thingswe knew we needed to cut but i'm first we show everyone in the room it's notabout your part about how well you're
doing it about the quality of the aboutwhat let's cut the writers beth hitting bars to start the rumor about the piecesyou go and you decide as we shape and why hamilton was already has developedbefore you began the public why did you decide to go witha non-profit or yours to be a part of the public like my parents are sittingin the front row they will install runaways on their wedding night which issuch a cliche to see on your wedding anniversary city centre you know that's not how most peoplespend the night but my parents support
again writer the public to publiclycourse like we're going to see a musical about tonight and that's what it was ithink the first one of course as i remember seeing was a problem withsomeone so it's just been a legacy i wanted to be a part of that is i gotintroduced to the public in general macarthur jenny mccarthy used to be acritic of the new york new york magazine and he was the first review of reallygot it wasn't like he's using done so we became that rarest of things the balkanslike yeah you know how you said hello welcome any other all day when the clockout almost right a relationship like actually became friends despite him andhe's one of the first people i told that
hamilton when i rode channels and whenhe stopped being a critic and started working for the public issues to meet usand then we just kind of numbers talking and it's hard to overstate being aprofessional demeanor now i get to talk about asking a little bit because what iask you does he look at what you've written and he pitches you an evenbetter musical than you writing about best thing he said it's why i'm happy and talkabout every moment and the moment he said he talked about grand on the momentyou can circle to make those granddaughter keith is in the work he'sgot the bird's eye view tommy and i in
the weeds cellar somewhere in the middleof you and i can tell you most excitingly where i believe writing him amoment until the very last i think three days before we start attacking public anew year's day 2013 in the morning and one that partly comical fault khatamihas a way of prognosticating my procrastination you will notice that where we go fromtaking hamilton haven't died yet he literally had to meet new years babythat means he said well you you're learning choreography and your ticketthe other things and it's going to come to you in the first moment of you and hewas absolutely right the morning of new
year's day and includes some of my chestit was the quietest i could remember for my entire life and i said oh quiet wehaven't done quite a thing that never stopped singing or rapping or dancingand quiet as the one i thought about writing hamilton's final words in totalsilence as opposed to the rest of the show and then here's where it comes inand starts pushing i wrote a person at the public that i was very happy butoscar and i continue to disagree or what we pushed on was able to throw it away question that historians have beentrying to answer the two hundred and i'm not particularly interested in enjoyingan interesting what's going on in his
head i don't know that that is why theway so i wrote this version that's a legitimate memory this is where it getsme on my keep me coming i don't run off i like gonna let it be there is no be nomelody pushing pushing a much worse opinion of burden i do so there's that undertaking in the position i don'tthink he just because i have to be him when i'm writing him to love them alland the last thing that happened this is pretty much rose and broadway and hegoes well okay so maybe he goes in deciding to throw away his shot butthat's still a hard call to make maybe he's still struggling with it in thefinal moment and i went
i don't run or why am i gonna let itbecome questions and it's the difference between i like it so much is this whereit gets me unlikely to be there is no piano melody now and and we get thething we can every night that great shakespearean drama hard which is noshe's gonna be asleep when he takes the poison and she's not gonna wake up intime have a good option is to go because those are questions and answers we stillget gas explaining why hamilton i suddenlyactually said the same notes that i would be giving shakespeare he doesn'texplain this stuffy you absolutely right to not explain it was just we hadelevated way you're running a nonprofit
that has and 42 broadway and there areno aspiration of what you're doing and how do you avoid being kind of corruptedby the kind of commercial potential of projects that you're working on well i hope the way we do it is by theethos of the public the area that is embodied in the staff staff board all ofthe people the audience the people believe in the public there to createcommercial shows we're not there to make a profit to make these shows theseartistic expressions most beautiful thing they could leave do that wellenough is going to be bigger audiences and some of them are gonna be big enoughaudience is that they're gonna move up
down and that's great we would get introuble the advantage i hope is we're not saying how can we sell this where weare protected by the bubble of a different intentionality other thanmarket and that's something that television angels movie expensive movie ever madefor television and i said well that's not how we can get what we're trying todo is elevate the brand by doing shows that have to subscribe at exactly theprotection the nonprofit is trying to provide withthis particular show this particular night this particular one just like itif we do that elevates the public's help
for those shows that can reachcommercial audience will do it beauty of that is partly in the culturalimpact the show has once it moves to broadway the number of people can alsohave to love the fact that it compensates artists much more meaningfulway that we can do because of course the greatest subsidizes of all the artistsworking for so much less than they deserve and they are subsidizing ofcourse it's a beautiful thing for me to see artists get a chance the public was most famously proud ofcourse line to broadway thats was so successful that it supported the publicfor years together that something
fundamental has changed in therelationship between nonprofits and broadway so that no matter howsuccessful hamilton use it would never have the same impact a chorus line hadthat there's something yeah i mean there are a lot of changes that have been oneof the biggest one time chorus line moved to broadway broadway was very veryserious trouble theaters which made the process of moving into the deal-makingcompletely different shows circling the airport however i have to say that theimpact that fun now has been substantial it's definite help of course what itdoes is he just plowed back into work we do is no no individual is probablyindividually are making is definitely
prospering this helps it's a patchworkquilt of him you know rewriting spoke for the first five years of fun home ithink i made $10,000 you make nothing when you're writing i've never made anymoney it's not how it works you took seven years and and so after seven yearsyou you're hoping it about the bucking every every bit of it and the the timewhen i was running caroline or change and i said to george c wolfe is a dearfriend i can't write the show now because i'm out of money and his money iwill find you the money that's what we do what we do we're gonna make sure icould never have written it unless you don't move you know he'd only threethousand dollars out of the public and i
a little girl and there was just no wayto write it is so when you when you're saying the compensation i think peoplejoin copper it's going back to make sure that people like functioning and beingable to pay road very few people make a killing in this business really i mean about working on povertyrate is protection around you as a creative just because you know the steps thatcould have taken as it's being competition producer steven bernal ianbrown and then they helped take it up town with with the public the beauty ofmounting it and creating a whole new
production with republicans i had toclean comfort knowing that i was going to be working with being very well andcreated you know giant were going to help me get it to you know went out oftown will you know i love about working with relevant working have you havecreated safeguard and you know that you're in hand people who work for the story told itsbest we've been talking about these three projects you are doing which areall historically ambitious and intellectually challenging one of thethings that has struck me since starting this year ago is i think i expected thatthere would be a lot more of a static
snobbery in the theater world and thatthere would be people who worked on those kinds of projects and people whoworked on more popular entertainment and yes all three of you are in differentways also involved with popular culture you worked on strap you've done athreesome with disney on the walking dead can i just financial decisions ordo they like some kind of other aspect of your creative hunger i usedsimultaneously do these very different kinds of projects in 20 a lot of mywalking dead cast and producers came in saw it and they think something back ifelt when i first audition for that which they like and how
which is why you know i i mean you knowi was an artist is trying to make it in china may pay my bills and everythingbut you know i think about you know you sign that seven-year contract like me dothat with you know and there are times i come down to the lake to capture i cameacross this particular project dead i like i just tried to watch it erica and never watch anything area justscared too much of the country but you know watching it i just got completely what would hope not only can actuallyshow were amazing and a lot of them to me the story originally told but thepromising there that i like you like
when i will eclipse which the world gotbehind hire you because you're not gonna be who you are and i got me told me andputting story the places you never hear in front of people and anything yougonna be one of these five women and fun way shape or form a little bit you gothim and still watching this particular character who was at that time only onthe comic book page and you know very much she loves before actually put thewoman i recent who became rebel fighters and so bad and then thank god it's anamazing environment to be in to creating a mean people are therethey're not even being left at home like people come by downing and lincoln mikeycampbell wayward just about to create
not just about that create energy being protected and people beingcelebrated and encourage and thank god because you know we're running out ofthe woods for real in georgia in july really happening and i had a greatpop-up book even more specifically that your project of working on women'srelationship to violence and self-protection and how empowermentthrough violence is it and how did it and it just feels like i'm watching youwork that project as an actress and i'm watching you work that project is awriter and that i think the highway i don't know why would i got on a planeonce and i had aristotle and daniel are
you you know i would you like if i'mgonna go down a fiery crash i'm gonna be reading trust but i really want tounderstand how i feel you know i think that i love you know iwas i was just got i saw hamilton workshop stage and right at the end ofof the opera the actors came back into the second i stood up in this really isso ridiculous so i don't get to see one thing that the man was wearing sunday inthe park sought and we just have a lot on his right around the ankle and and the way that was just so amazingto me pulled my back and everybody know i workwith oscar george tony anybody there are
these people who want to coming to playand i think it you have to think that you know we will continue to bed in thehotel room ok i think to tell the story whether that's a rundmc reference documents there's no high and low at all it's what the story and ithink i get a lot of questions about cultural baggage but i'll get a lot ofcultural baggage in the audience it maracana nodded i didn't know that or ididn't know that is on the music and now i know this but there's something aboutthis story being told this way that connects the dots for people thatwouldn't have connected them otherwise
because they got cultural baggageattached to music or musical theatre music or american history in general butby throwing the kitchen sink at it they can just sit back and enjoy well i wouldactually put it even more grandiose lee than that because it's also i have to say it's oneof the core ideas behind the public and the new place makes people like itsseparate categories all part of one big theater community which is in analogysaying when you when we watch is going oh yeah we are one country hip hop doesbelong there american history oh yeah musical theatreis all of that it belonged together
because we aren't separated in that wayand i think the sort of almost out of this decree that audiences have to it isthey're feeling reflected back to them their whole country they're certainlybeing told you part of the whole country you're not one part of it and we are sohungry to believe that right now in for progressives political thing alsotonight i'm not progressive for progressives were so hungry to feelpatriotic was so hungry to actually remember what the promise of america issuddenly there yeah i deeply because i don't think time and ihave been bicultural when you buy where i can't i can't change them
thing but seeing how watching it with agroup of people you know a crowd of broadway you know and i'm sitting in anarea where i definitely a mule person who look like me oral i loved watchingbit with that you know of america that was taking place on that stage you knowwhen you dive on our money in body you know you know you know and all the powerof america you know and i'm like the money going into labor like palin 19 2012 asked you about oneof the challenges for hamilton of course is that it's become so successful thatit accessible to many people and people are paying huge amounts of money to gettickets there are some ways of course he
won't be successful in other ways theteams with what you aspired to whichever you that this is being live streamed youhad a different experience in the audience than the people at home havingwho could be needing i could be causing or could be watching it i don't know howto solve the problem of a lot of wonderful couple of a lot of peoplewanted i think you should write your congressman about resale tickets i lovethat lady who caught this guy but again that's above my pay grade my job to makethe thing my other bike dealers writer is to make sure as many kids in theaudience as possible and so that was our mission impossible 20,000 school kidsare going to thank you for that but you
know what i get a lot on twitter is likeplease feel it so i can watch it and let you know translation you're not getting the samething with the people in the audience are having that night when i love tobuild yeah i would love to do that but it's not so i don't know how to solvebecause they win and technology take care of everything we're still gonna betelling each other stories in the dark and so just filling in putting out ofnothing make history but they do not make anyconditions of their own choosing said karl marx
the you know the fact is that we are ina time when capitals around the world hegemonic system and what that means isthat that is how success happy it's a profit-making enterprise that's what'shappening with him that's you know that's what it is right now so what canwe do we can continue to figure how do we ameliorate the most negative effectsi gotta say jeffrey seller 20,000 public school kids are going to see him notjust this year but every year coming forward that's a huge deal that's a hugeeffort and you know the problem of the tickets you know the fact thathamilton's gonna 18 months from now have four companies the fact that it's gonnarun for a very long time
the fact that we're going to continue todiscuss a friend of the court itself discuss how we can continue to provideaccess that's real but again there's no nobody's got a magic bullet nobody hasgot a magic solution to how we deal with this because it's the society wasrunning it usually people they don't ask people about their vacation have it butboth linen tonight had interesting vacation experiences i want you so whotakes a couple of a biography of alexander hamilton on vacation but thatwas only 11 book a table beach runs great with the wards and i liked by allgood i'm i love to do is not a history buff i mean i guess i not even one now
story and that's why the show exists butmy favorite book growing up was the autobiography ofchuck jones about it to the kid because it came witha wily coyote flip book on the side flip the pages you could see why lakota chasethe ball down the margin of the opening the leader of a year as i would do youlike this is one of the greatest books about the creative process you will everread because chuck jones and his cohorts taxi reinforced we really had to makeyou forget me six minute short animated movies they had a key producers theycould not be a frame longer and within those constructs they created an accountof the world it's a beautiful book about
the creative process and i was never getanother good at drawing but i learned a lot about i didn't know so speaking oflightning hitting one in the faith and i saw that you went on a walking deadcrews how do you know the internet like a cruise for the time being peopleown made up in like what was like a lot of fun like i mean honestly be likeyou're around and they're being the activities going on that you may or maynot even be pretty to you know the time that the time that i can with the bandwas awesome you know you go down you do a panel you you signed for them you havechecked you know you do actually a really nice one on one body i don't do alot with social media and so it's a way
of really connecting with different typeof way and you're on the issue but it initially it actually had a lot ofthings that were happening in terms of like people getting me down in withhandled you know the man behind all the walker everything you see on the show interms of you know the makeup and everything is his work and so he waswell i know they're having a good time i don't think i can't be somewhere thatpeople start lining up at the night let me ask you what people are getting linedup completely different questions so you had a play called the conver aboutcolonialism one ever sees colonizers and eclipse it's about women who are livingwith the rebel warlord
abused by him one ever sees the warlordstell me about the rating decision about who do show and who are not well i guessi grew up in southern africa was born in the midwest and thought i'd neveractually i was watching a lot of western media and you still do you go there andyou know the tv off with ecc medium for you you know who you know tomyou-know-who brad pitt is you know people are you watching the movie didyou watch television watching melrose place you're watching you knoweverything and so i grew up like a lot of people even here in the united statestel on-screen i would think a lot of people of my you know heritage on-screenespecially not acting director or ending
those getting i was actually planningany local schools schools i'm thankful that i did get to you know regional andtons of shakespearian became came to the united very you know equipped to handlethe western whatever round but i also tried and ironic because i was on thecontinent but even there i was surprisingly picked up things fall apartonce i was in college in the united states well you know the idea that i got littleenraged and consequently started to go on a certain tract with power wantedthing i wanted back what was missing from what i did what i saw and what iput out there so yeah it was a choice
where a lot largely when i would watchor read anything about polarization in with always from the perspective and i ended and you know a lot of mind in thespilling economic i grew up right next to where i can even go at all throughoutmy childhood or my teenage years because of apartheid and you know you know themoment when they got to actually come to the point of you know freedom and so tome the idea that constant contact with the representation i thought was readyso what i wanted to do when i got united states decide to create a really greatbecause i could find and so i had never
planned to be a writer i cant find it ithink is needed you know more and that actually really well and then once ithought you put not always but when you put a person who was caucasian in thecenter of the story the story to go even if not me but you know the county andeverything preview of a new claim like just gonna be like blind faith in thatgame it will because i believe that humanitycheck will have resonance but you know i can do now get back to work tomorrow butthat idea and so you know the idea that continued into two women from theirperspective convert an eclipse with no don't take out the men would you takeout the colonizer you just gonna spend
time with bespoke here and let me