ryan: when renovating a property there aresome things that will add massive profit to your renovation and there are some thingsthat actually cost more than what you're going to get in return. therefore it's importantto understand what is the best way to maximize your return on renovation. today i have with me jane slack-smith fromthe ultimate guide to renovation who successfully completed multiple renovations herself andnow train her students how to mimic what she has done and to successfully profit from renovations.we're going to go step by step, room by room through the house and find out what can wedo to add massive value and to maximize our return on renovation in each area of the house.this is a great interview and i learned a
lot from jane in this interview about whatwe can do in different areas and what we can do to maximize our return on renovation. sohere's my interview with jane slack-smith from the ultimate guide to renovation. ryan: hi guys, ryan here from onproperty.com.auyour daily dose of property education and inspiration. today i am excited to have againwith me jane slack-smith from the ultimate guide to renovation. we're going to be goingthrough the nitty-gritty of renovation in this episode, talking about how to maximizeyour return on renovation. but we're going to be going through each room individually- the bedrooms, the bathrooms, the kitchen and all of that sort of good stuff to findout exactly what you can do to maximize your
return on renovations. thanks so much forjoining us today jane. jane: my pleasure, ryan. ryan: okay, so where do we get started? we'regoing to go through room by room how do we maximize our return, but where do you thinkwe should look at first? jane: i think if we start big picture, let'sstart really big picture in the fact that there are many many different types of renovations.so i have what i call as my five 'rs' of renovation, so i would simply get to refresh. and thisis the kind of property you walk into and you see people walk out and go, "oh my god,did you smell that? how dirty was that?" and you're like, "oh there could be opportunity."sometimes it is just a good clean, that's
all the property needs. it just needs openingup the windows and airing it. someone has been there for forty years smoking and thereis stain on the ceiling, whatever, it's a refresh. and this can be less than a $1,000.this is the elbow grease that goes into this. so that's my first 'r' of renovation. then i have repair. this is where you're goingto have to pull out your toolbox. and we're talking about you are fixing things up. theremight be some doors hanging off the kitchen. there might be a little bit of painting intact.you might paint the bathtub for instance, give it a clean look, and put on a new showercurtain, new toilet seat, and steam-clean the carpet. we're not talking about a hugeexpense. we're talking about the fact that
you need to be doing some repairs to brightenand lighten it up. and this is often what people do between tenancies as well. so thatis repairs. then we move on to my favourite which is kindof a combination of repair and the refresh into the rejuvenate. and the rejuvenate iswhere we're talking about bathroom, kitchens and we will get into a bit later where youcan spend your money. but it is around new window coverings, painting the property, sandingthe floor boards, doing some landscaping. and that's where rule of thumb people talkabout around 10% of the value of the property is spent on that cosmetic rejuvenation. and then you have the restructure.
ryan: rejuvenation, is that what a lot ofpeople call cosmetic renovation? jane: yes, absolutely. and sometimes you talkto people and they go, "oh, they say you should spend 10% of the value of the property onyour renovation." i did it for $1,000. it's all crap. well, the actual fact is they'llprobably just do a refresh or a repair; they didn't replace the kitchen/bathroom cupboardsand everything. so once we have that rejuvenation or cosmeticrenovation we move on to the restructure which is just restructuring. and we're talking aboutlet's push over the back of the house and put out that nice open plan living space.so that's the structural and that is, depending on who you speak to, 35-40% of the value theproperty would be spent on that structural
renovation. timing, at least three to sixmonths and then if you got a council that's not so happy, then it could be 12-24 monthsjust getting the approvals to do that. and then we have the revamp. the revamp isone that i now have moved into and it's something that i think a lot of landlords and propertyowners forget. and this is to go back to your original portfolio and see what you can do.so if i've got forty grand saved up forty grand win full or whatever rather than i going,"ah, gosh, i know the median house price is $600,000 i can't get anything there, i couldpossibly buy [inaudible 4:58] stamp duty" or you could go back to your current portfolioand go, "well maybe i could spend - ." say for instance i've got a tiny little terracein darlington in new south wales in sydney
that was an old workers cottage and it's atiny little two storey. now, for $30,000 i can actually push an attic bedroom on top,sacrifice a little bit of the second bedroom on the second floor. and for the six weeksof work that it takes there i need one week of internal work upsetting the tenants. fiveweeks of it can happen on the outside and that $30,000 little attic bedroom could add$100,000 in value. so a lot of people don't look at that revamp. ryan: yes, that's a very good one that peopleshould think about once they grow their portfolio and go back to things. so at a high levelthere's a lot of different ways that we can renovate. i guess we should start on the outsidebecause that's where people are going to be
looking at when they first enter the property.what are some of the ways to maximize your return on investment on the outside? jane: well, there are so many on that hewittnote so i apologize for reading all of these. but i think that as you mentioned, the outside,there are many things that people forget. they forget that street appeal. so maybe insteadof replacing the roof maybe repainting the roof. i have a demonstration of a cosmeticrenovation that i've done in some videos that are coming up. the roof is repainted for $1,000to $3,000 dollars. it gives it a little bit more maintenance to look much better. we didn'tneed to replace it. there are things like rendering outside wallswe've all seen driving down the street to
those horrible red brick suburbs. renderingsome of those properties and spending maybe $5,000 to $20,000 depending on what you have.even just doing the front of the property can add a lot of value. fencing, having somenice fencing or even repairing and propping up the small fencing so that it's got a fewmore years in it. painting the concrete on the driveway, cleaning the driveway and mayberepairing the garage - the garage roof, the [inaudible 7:21] came with the house, so everythinglooks consistent especially if it was post-built. and just doing things that make things lookcoordinated. painting the exterior of the house and the fence so that they match. andjust simple things that i would do and add value is adding maybe pines or fast-growingplants that don't need a lot of work or maintenance
by your tenants but are going to give maybegoing to give some privacy in the back, privacy the front that are going to look good. thereforefor me it's about adding some value externally without breaking the bank. because you reallywant to be spending your money where the big-ticket big bang factors are and that is the kitchenand the bathroom. ryan: okay. so with the outside the goal iguess from what i hear you are saying is to get a very clean and unified look to the frontof the house. so i guess it looks like it's been thought out and it looks like someonehas been taking care of the property and it's in good shape. would you agree with that? jane: absolutely. people make the decisionwithin the first 30 seconds of pulling up
to a house whether they're going to rent itor buy it, so i'm looking at first impressions. ryan: yes. well even now people are makingtheir decisions on the internet just rolling through the listings and so if the front ofyour house doesn't look very good from the listing then they just keep strolling andthey wouldn't even see it any at all. the internet is therefore definitely changingthings there. so you say the big ticket items are your kitchen and bathroom, which comesas no surprise to me as it is always said that the kitchen is the heart of the homeand the bathroom is the area that needs to be done. let's start with the kitchen because that'swhat i hear is the most important. what are
some ways that people can maximize their returnon their renovation in the kitchen area? jane: we've talked about the repaint or repairor remove kind of strategy when i'm looking at things. often and especially the lowerprice point of houses less than $450,000 i would be definitely looking at maybe the repairor the paint option for fixing things. so in the kitchen it might just be painting thebench tops, removing your old fashion handles or removing the - i think we talked aboutyour mom's/dad's place with the outdated kind of wooden trim vinyl - moving the old fanthat outdates the kitchen. maybe taking a couple of the doors off the top of the kitchenand putting in the glass face doors. you know, just adding a lift to it, maybe just addinga nice glass breakfast prospect.
and you don't have to go and spend a fortuneor anything you can get big [inaudible 10:08] these days. if we're talking a high-end kitchentype renovation i've had people doing structural kitchens renovations and i've showed themhow to save like $40,000 by not custom making it kitchen but by making the prepack designkit size fit into the space that they have. so customizing kitchens in the top end isreal expensive. and a lot of people, once again, they get emotional, they want to putin that state of the art hub and pizza cooking thing and - i don't know, special type ofcooking and whatever. but if you're looking for tenants then you're looking for somethingthat's going to be maintained easily, something that you can get repaired quickly. you'renot looking at the expensive european stuff.
you're looking at the whirlpools maybe thatyou can get any whirlpool technician out that can fix the thing quite easily. so for meit's around people looking for cleanliness, they're looking for large storage space andbench space and they're just looking for a layout that's they can work with. so you don'tneed to over design the kitchen. but give it some wow factor. if the market wants seasonstones give them season stones but don't pay for seasoned stones if the market is lookingfor a high end lemonex. ryan: yes. so with the kitchen it really justdepends on what you're doing in the kitchen whether it's to rent it or whether it's tosell it and depending on the area of the market that you're in. so if you're in a lower pricerange then it's probably not worth spending
thousands and thousands and thousands of dollarsredoing the kitchen, but it's better to just give it a paint. how would someone determinedwhether its best - let's say they are in the middle range like around what we talked aboutin the first interview we did with [inaudible 12:00] below, but if they're buying like 20%below the median price of an area trying to get the above median price of an area, howdo they know whether they should just paint the kitchen or whether it actually needs tobe taken out and put in a new one, whether that be custom or whether that be one from[inaudible 12:17] or where ever you buy that one? jane: one of the things that i do is thatfor every 10 properties i look at in an area
i then look at a property that is renovatedto the standard that i think that the median property should be at. so i'm trying to seeif the fixtures and finishes that that property has already got there and i'm listening towhat people are saying as they're walking through. if they are really excited aboutthe fact that there is a little door in the bench top that you can drop you your rubbishinto the bin below, that might be something i consider. but if we are walking around awestern suburb area in most capital cities where we're talking about a nice home or unitfor a family that is after functionality and maybe some security, etc, i'm not going tobe putting in a nice little bench top hole in my nice bench top. i'm probably going tobe painting my bench top and spending some
money on some security buzz for them. youknow, they walking and going, "oh, this is a new place that has security buzz." thereforei'm looking at, "oh, it's got a carport, we really needed the carport and none of theother properties have a carport." so i'm trying to find what's fit for the market.if you have any doubts go and find out what your competitors are doing because you'regoing to be on the market against them at some stage. but you're also going to be onthe market against those that are renting and that's why i also go and have a look atthe properties they're renting at the moment at the rental price that i want and the standardof the property that i expect to have and see what they're talking about.
ryan: yes. so it comes back to tailoring yourrenovation to the market and what the market wants. and you can do that by seeing otherproperties. i like your strategy in going to these open houses and rather than lookingat the property in intense detail actually listening to the people that are looking atthe property and hearing what they're saying because that's just such a good way to geta read on the market. if they're saying, "oh, you know, the other house we looked at hadsuch a better kitchen," then you can get an idea of what people want and yes just suchgood recon work, very sneaky. jane: and i even use the real estate agentsas well. i'm all about sneaky. but going to the real estate agent in an open home fora property and saying, "look i'm looking to
buy in the area," instead of me going chinchin, okay here i have someone i can sell to. so what are people after? because i noticedthis house has [inaudible 14:40] these guys, you know, media room was a complete wasteof time; everyone's talking about converting it into the baby's bedroom. it's like "okay,media room is not necessary." so you can actually use the real estate agents. they are there;you may be buying off them. they're going to be writing your name down and if you tellthem exactly what you're after they could actually become a really great source of,you know, "hey this one hasn't gone on the market yet but i know you're after three bedroomfibro with the potential to add a fourth bedroom under the same floor plan. this is comingon next week. you want to have a look at it?"
you're like, "yes." ryan: awesome that's good. so the kitchencovers that. what about bathroom which you say kind of goes in line with the kitchenas one the most important rooms of the house? jane: this drives me crazy because the bathroomsare often half the size or less of the kitchen. they cost about the same amount to renovatebecause if the waterproofing and the [inaudible 15:34] - how many trades you need there toget a good bathroom. so i'm always looking at saving money and maximizing my return.so once again don't replace if you can repaint or repair. so it's simple things like paintingthe bathtub, changing the taps, maybe changing the vanity. sourcing vanities you might goto one manufacturer that is selling a vanity
for $1,200 and for the same manufacturer there'san ebay supplier called reno d and they have an ebay shop and they actually have vanitiesfor $200 - $300 that are coming from the same place that reese is selling theirs for $1200from the same factory in china. so maximize your return, get the bling thatmight impress people but make it functional. so simple things like i'm looking at tenantsi'm thinking oh they don't clean that often so i'm not going to have mosaic tiles thatthey have to clean the grout. i'm not going to have a vanity that's on legs. i'm goingto make it easy for them to get the broom and vacuum under it and have it just wallhung. therefore i'm not looking at things that could cost me money by hiding the toiletbehind the wall because if something goes
wrong i then have to get the wall off to fixthe toilet. so i'm looking at things that is either going to help me down the line andminimize my maintenance costs. give me the wow factor that i need without overdoing it. ryan: yes. i remember like painting the bathtub and stuff like that. i've had someone come round to my place when i used to rent(danny billy) and the bathtub just was all flaking off and he just came and painted itand sealed it and did everything and they didn't have to rip anything out or replaceanything. and i thought that was genius. and i've often painted tiles to make a massivedifference in the bathroom. we lived in this house that was the bathroom - we called itthe winnerbago bathroom because it didn't
have that proper walls, it had like blue likebeige blue tiger striped walls that you think you'd find in like a camper band and it wasjust terrible but we painted it with a bathroom white paint and it just made the biggest differenceto the bathroom without costing us thousands and thousands of dollars. so people shouldalways consider what they can keep and i guess up-cycle or whatever you want to call it andimprove before they go ahead ripping everything out and changing everything. jane: if you do rip it out maybe you can sellit as well. ryan: sell it on ebay or gumtree or somethinglike that because then you could reuse that money to buy an awesome bath spa.
jane: i'm someone who does that. you know,i [inaudible 18:28] and i subsequently bought it. but there was something about the secondshower and bathroom at the back in the laundry section that i was kind of like there wassomething weedy here and it had those black and white kind of tiles that kind of looklike something a jester would wear in court county, black and white. anyhow, i was lookingand there was something weedy and they weren't tiles, the landlord had actually got a vinylfloor covering and actually just like stapled it on the wall and that was the back of theshower. i was like there is something wrong - you just walked past black and white tiles.no, it's vinyl wall coverings. so you never know what you're going to find.
ryan: what about layout in a bathroom? islayout important? are there certain things that people want? or again is it do your researchin the market, go and look at other properties and see what works and what's good there? jane: for me, i'm trying to maximize my moneyso i want to have something that creates value or is functional and looks good. but ofteni think you get into that mentality of i've got to pull it all out and if you pull itall out you can then do the layout that you want. i often used the layouts that i comeacross because i don't want to have to rerun the plumbing like pull off the wall to putthe toilet in a different spot or something. i've done simple changes of layouts in rehangingthe door opening up into the bathroom from
one side to the other side to actually giveit more room to go in. something as simple as that, getting a bit of builders bag, fillingin the holes, rehanging the wall and do on the other side actually opened up this bathroomamazingly. i have used it for high end renovations. i'veused little twilights to add lights as well, down lights. but if you look in the low endrenovation the layout itself i'd say try to work with the layout that you have and maximizewhat you have and it might be - there is always the conversation should you have a separateshower and bath. find out what the market wants. go out when you're looking at the rentalproperties and you're overhearing what people are saying and they are going, "oh gosh ihate it when the bath and the shower are together."
if that's an objection you can override thatbut if this is typical of the area don't go and complicate things for yourself. ryan: yes, because that's the thing. everyrenter that's going out isn't just looking at your property they're looking at othersas well. and if every other property has a shower over a bath even if you have a showerover a bath, they are not going to go, "oh you got a shower over a bath i'm not goingto rent your property," because if they go anywhere else that's what they can get anyway. jane: exactly. and the reality is that oftenyou're going to have to sacrifice the bath for the shower. so if you're going to removesomething you are in a small space you can't
have two separate things anyhow so it's likeeither the bath or the shower and then all of a sudden you're the only house in the streetwithout a bath, the family of three walking through going where the kids are going tohave a bath. ryan: i have actually looked at many propertiesas a renter and it has been like, "no bath, no, thank you." because i've got kids andkids like to have bath and it's like that is the bliss time as a parent, put them inthe bath and there's bubbles and they're so happy and i'm so happy. i'm not sacrificinga bath. jane: my poor son has lived in so many houseswithout baths but now it is the most exciting thing when he goes to his grandparents' oraunt's house, he's like, "oh can i have a
bath?" it's not like, can we go and say hi.his first thing is in the bath and he stays there for an hour or two. he is eleven yearsold. ryan: yes. we downsized to like a two bedroomhouse and we now upsized again because we're having another one but we had this bath butit wasn't actually a bath it was like a shower but it had like a little basin and the kidscalled it the puppy bath but it still served as a purpose for us as the kids could havebaths but we couldn't. okay, so bathroom because in most cases we're probably going to leaveit the same we try and reuse as much as we can. if we are adding things we want to getthat wow factor but for a good price so look around, shop around, look on ebay, check outthat reno d or whoever it was that you mentioned.
i think that basically covers the bathroom. what about bedrooms? because all i ever seepeople do in bedrooms is just paint the walls in a neutral colour. is that all that is expectedfrom a bedroom? jane: i'm happy with that. things like ifit comes to painting just choose some colours that are neutral and inoffensive. i thinkthat whites, a white kitchen is easy as people can put their own colours specials on it.if you're going to save money and time i'd be looking to see a single colour throughoutthe house. i might not use the same colour on most of my renovations. and i put in atiny little tin of the paint - you know the keep board under your kitchen?
ryan: yes. jane: i put everything in the keep board,so spare tiles - i pull it off - spare tiles, a bit of paint, paintbrush. so if i have torun by a property between tenancies in interstate i can fly in, kick off the keep board, pullout my stuff - it's all there so that i can fix things up with this little kit. the antiquewhite usa i used throughout most properties. ryan: everyone uses that one, everyone - antiquewhite usa. jane: if you do make sure you don't use antiquewhite because it's like eight strengths deeper in colour so it has to be usa. we've triedto do the spray painting and i've got to tell you that we're not good at it. some peopleare good at it. i don't think it gives a very
professional finish. but if you're lookingat high-end property i wouldn't be spray-painting but maybe spray painting the ceiling and wallsor getting a painter who is experienced in doing that can save you some money. potentially,i think there are things that you might accent a colour with, like there is a quarter strengthcolour code hug bristle. it's a nice complement to antique white usa. it's just to be honestboring neutral colours. in the bedrooms i'd be looking at maybe recarpetingand i would go to get cheap end of roll carpets or discount carpets or carpets online or carpetauctions or greys on line. i've a lot for different products as well. sometimes thecarpeting places have had very big developments done and the developments have some ends ofrolls and you can pick up some really cheap
carpet. so i'm also looking at window coverings.if the window is for the bedrooms or at at the front the house and for maximum streetappeal i might even spend $1,000 on putting plantation shutters in to get that kind ofwow factor. but otherwise, i'd be looking at maybe just simple blinds. i personallyuse 16ml golden oak timber varnish and some i get from spotlight. i joined as a spotlightmember. i get my 10% off or whatever and then once every six weeks they do a two for oneoffer and it's on different blinds and when they do the 16ml i go and pick up some. buti've got these timber blinds, they have been on properties for ten years and i'm stillwaiting to replace them. nothing could destroy them.
ryan: yes, they do the job. i remember a reallygood tip because often as we talked about people get emotional and they want to addsplashes of colour to the bedroom, bright blue for a boy or pink for a girl or somethinglike that or put some wallpaper as a feature on. and i thought a really good idea was evenif you're painting it we recommend you paint it in a neutral colour but if you want toadd some flair to it put some more paper in a frame or put a canvas on the wall or somethinglike that. so it adds that colour and adds that vibrancy to the room but someone walksin and they go yes, i know i can take that painting off or that painting won't be therewhen i buy it so you still got a neutral so you appeal to the most people but then itcan still look great with that flair and without
alienating people away from your property. jane: which brings me to you kind of likethe end point as well. one of the things that we don't talk about is staging a property.and this is often just for people who are looking to sell. so getting a professionalstature during with as you say with the beautiful paintings, etc. and you know i think thatpre property that i've renovated we lived in there to save money. so whenever i lookat the before and after photos, in the after photos i've still got the old _doggy lounge.well not doggy lounge. i've got our lounge over the years gone through all these propertieslike, "oh and here's the lounge room." but staging a property i actually approacheda staging company and said look i need to
stage this property for a valuer. a valueris going to be walking in for ten minutes and they will be looking through this property.i want them to walk in and go, "wow, imagine that this is exactly what i perceived throughall my research comparable styles of what it should look like," tick, tick, yes." andthey're not looking into an empty house. they are walking into a house that has furniturein and they are going right in that little lounge at that fire place for the red glasswine, at the end of the day kind of thing. and you speak to valuers and they always say,"we are not influenced by furniture in staging or whatever." but there is an emotional humanresponse that says walking through an empty house and you see it yourself when you goto openings and inspections. you're more intrigued
and interested when there's someone kind ofliving there. and so staging a property [inaudible 28:18]and there are 10 stages and then you don't get it. we stage for a six-week campaign,and i was like, "no you don't get what i want." and i finally got on to this guy and he'slike, "oh yes i got it, i've got twenty seven houses, i staged them all." i asked for thevaluer and he said, "i've got it, look our expense is picking up the furniture and droppingit off you can have it for six weeks i'm going to charge the same amount. i'm like, "no,i kind of got tenants i want to look through the property as well and they may get somephotos for that." and i think it was like two-and-a-half thousand dollars or somethingand this value of this property multitudes
by added value and i got money out to go anddo another property. the two and a half thousand - well spent. ryan: yes, so it's worth it. even for a valuerit's worth getting that staging at the end just to make it look awesome. i'm not goinginto houses that are empty, all the blinds are shut, it's dark like, you don't feel likethis is a house you want to live in. but you go in there looks like someone's been livingin it. someone pristine and super clean has been living in it. jane: i would do that for high end properties.i wouldn't do that for low-end properties. like two-and-a-half grand in a low end propertyis going got get you [inaudible 29:22] so
it could get you a new bathroom tidy up andkitchen tidy up. so two and a half grand wouldn't waste that on staging, it'd be at a high endproperty like 650 or above. ryan: yes, awesome. i know that we have beengoing for a while so i'm going to end it there. we will be talking more about renovation andmore about jane's strategy of buying two properties, doing one renovation and getting a milliondollars in the bank in an upcoming webinar that we had together on the 4th of march.you can check out that webinar, it's absolutely free by going to www.onproperty.com.au/renoand that's just a pure content webinar. we won't be selling anything at the end of that. jane, when we're talking that renovationsin this upcoming webinar, what sort of things
will we be touching on? jane: well, i'm going to be sharing my strategythat it basically shows that adding renovation to your property investment strategy and manufacturingwealth by doing that and manufacturing equity allows you to kind of springboard into thenext property or springboard towards your goals sooner. you can push up the rent soyou're getting more money to help you hold the property. but you also have the capacityto get the [inaudible 30:35]. i really want to show how everyday australians just fortwo properties, one renovation could put a million bucks in the bank in 15 years. andi tell my story of how i was able to change my life by being a renovator.
ryan: yes. and i really like the idea thatit's just two properties, not 10, it's not 30, it's not 130 it's just two. jane: doesn't want it to be complicated. ryan: yes. just makes it simple. let's makeit simple for people. it doesn't have to be a super convoluted and buy this and flip thatand then do all this weird strategy stuff. jane: and then throw in a granny flat andbuy in the us and near [inaudible 31:09] and mining towns. you're like, "oh my gosh ifi just had two properties in the right location going up in value i would manufacture wealth."you don't have to worry about that, get on with life.
ryan: yes, and i think that's what most peoplewant. most people want to get on with life. they want to have something that's buildingup for their retirement, building up to help replace their income. they don't necessarilywant to be super fandangled in the way that they invest. the just want to know that'sgoing to work. i love how risk-averse you are. because i think there're a lot of peopleout there who are saying, yes invest in this, you'll get this massive returns, but there'snot that many people out there saying, look i'm a risk averse investor, i'm just likeeveryone else, let's learn what not to do and not do that, rather than just saying whatis some flash in the painting that will make you a million bucks overnight. so i reallyappreciate that you're out there spreading
that word and spreading that message becausei don't think there's enough people doing it. so thank you so much for your time. any closingwords before we end this interview? jane: no. i look forward to speaking to peopleon our webinar and yes bring your questions because i'd be happy to answer them. ryan: alright. and i look forward to that.again that's on the 4th march and you can check it out by going to www.onproperty.com.au/reno.and it is a limited seating webinar that technology only allows us to do a certain number of seatsso we'll likely fill up. so please get in quickly if you're interested. alright jane,thank you so much and i'll see you on the
webinar on the 4th of march. jane: okay, see you ryan. ryan: well, i hope that you enjoyed that interviewwith jane slack smith from the ultimate guide to renovation. i certainly did and i alwayslearn something whenever i talk to jane. and i'm super stoked to get her on and to do theselessons and to do the upcoming webinar that i have with her on the 4th of march. if youwant to check out that webinar, we are going to be talking more about jane's strategy.two properties, one renovation and a million dollars in the bank is a strategy that i lovebecause it just sounds so achievable for the average person who doesn't want to buy a hundredproperties. and so i'm looking forward to
sharing that. we've already had a whole bunchof registrations for that webinar. it's coming up very same soon. check it out, it's on the4th of march which is actually my daughter's birthday but it'll be in the night time soshe'll be asleep anyway. but go to www.onproperty.com.au/reno before the 4th of march to sign up for that.if you're watching this after the 4th of march in 2015 well then go ahead and check it outanyway because i'm going to have something special for you over there. i have really enjoyed this series with janeslack smith talking about renovation, how to choose the right house, we talked aboutthe biggest mistakes that renovators make and we also talked about how to maximize yourreturn on renovation. i have learned a lot
from these interviews and i hope that youhave learned a lot as well. so until the upcoming webinar or until i seenext remember stay positive. how to increase your return on renovation(ep264) page 1 of 13