- and you have the chatroom open in both places? - yes. - at this point here, after the giveaways,then i'm talking about some stuff, some of this business here, we're gonna do the guild project giveaway. - okay. - and we should... we should be live.
if you can just confirm for me, and then we'll get this show on the road. (singing and humming) i wish we could have music. hey look, it's us. oh, look it's us! think that thing uses a lot of bandwidth, being up? - [nicole] i don't think so.
- it's buffering too, huh? hi everybody. how's it going? here's nicole. - hi. - i just stepped in front of. all right. boy, it's been awhilesince we've done this, huh? - yeah, we took, had to take a month off.
- entire month of january. should i talk at all abouthow i'm not gonna really do much of the around-the-web type stuff? - i don't think (mumbling) - you know what'll be funny? i won't do it, and no one will notice. and it won't matter at all. should have got a haircut today. did you get your nails done today?
- no. - i totally could have gone with you to get my hair cut. - i got my toenails done. - you go to the same place, though, right? - yeah. - see, that's what i'm talking about. you ready to roll? - [nicole] i'm ready.
- [nicole] am i supposedto be there with you? - yeah, you can come up here and hang out. it's you know, it's aninformal event here, nicole. - yeah, we're just hanging out. - yes, welcome everyone. - to tww live number eight. - eight. - yeah, we had to take last month off. it was a very difficulttime in our household,
lots of bad stuff happened. so it was just easier to postpone, let's push off to february, and start the new yearin the right mindset. so here we are. it is february. and it is still very warmin arizona, by the way. - it is freaking hot. it was like 80 degrees today.
- so much for (video skips), i miss it. i do, i really do. and if you think i'm bragging, talk to me in august, andwe'll have a conversation. - okay, so, who we are. i'm mark spagnuolo, this ismy wife nicole spagnuolo, and we run a little website called the wood whisperer whereyou can go (video skips) woodworking stuff and watchlots of cool litle videos
and read articles. - and shop tours. - and shop tours, and talk with your friends in the chat room. and by the way, if you wantto talk in the chat room, go to thewoodwhisperer.com/live. there's a chatroom therethat you can participate in. you can also leavecomments on the facebook... - youtube.
- youtube, yes. youtube. you could leave comments there. and nicole's gonna be watchingover on the sidelines, so if you have something you want to say, a lot of times she can get a question in. but we try to isolate allof the questions if possible to the end, during the live q&a. - that's right.
- all right, so. we're gonna have a couplegiveaway announcements. there's a demonstrationlater on how to make a double mortise and tenon joint. let's see, what else. a couple of basic announcements.- [nicole] cool stuffpeople send us all the time. yeah, cool tools thatyou may not be aware of. fun stuff like that, which isalways the thing, i love it. "what's with all the advertisements?"
is like the comments that come in. and everyone on youtube, if you read youtube commentsin a jerry seinfeld voice, it really makes it somuch better, trust me. - "what's with all the comments?" - "what's with all theadvertisements over here? "what am i, crazy?" - oh my gosh, all right, all right. - it's a terrible jerry impression.
- hey, it's a small price to pay because we get some amazing companies. - hey, i like seeing new stuff. - and they also give ustools to give away to you. - it's brilliant. - people win, all the time. - you win, this is for you. - in fact, we're gonnalet you know who won last month's give away.
- yes, january's give away, - january's give away. so eagle america gave us theultimate router table package. there was a router, there was a table, there were bits, it was awesome. - it's pretty ultimate. - yeah, it was ultimate. - it was the ultimate. - like the ultimate warrior.
- and that went to mike s. - mike s. - congrats, mike s. i'm sure he's already enjoying it, right? does he have it yet? - uh, he might. - okay, let us know, mike. - both of our winners havealready claimed their prizes, so if your name just happens to be mike s,
i'm sorry if you didn't get it. - that's pretty generic, huh? - it is. - all these mike s's outthere are like, "finally!" only to be let down. okay. - and then the winner ofthe fuji spray mini-mite 3, is blair h. - and he runs, he has, i noticed
he has a woodworking business. so, he was really excited about that. - he's gonna put that thing to good use. those turbines are fantastic. the mini-mites are great, too. they're like just as goodas the bigger version, but i think they just lack some of the sound filtering. these things are loud anyway.
to me it doesn't really makethat much of a difference. so it's a really great unit. three stage turbine. - so yeah, it's awesome. - yeah, so, thewoodwhisperer.com/giveaway is where you could find information about the current giveaway aswell as the past ones. but let's talk aboutthis month's giveaway. this is the bee's knees, my friend.- [nicole] february.
and not just becauseit's yellow and black. that was pretty good, right? - yeah, that was a pretty good reference. - this is the kind thati get excited about. - i'll let you announce it. - you want me to do it? ♫duh, duh, duh, duh!♫ - if you don't know already. - the powermatic p-m1000 table saw.
this is awesome. what's great about this saw is, it's kind of got the cabinetsaw structure and look, but the thing is, it's actually 110 volt. so if you just have a standard garage shop and maybe a basement shop, this is going to be no problem to power. - [nicole] and you're showing the 30 inch.
- [mark] is that the 30? - [nicole] they're gonnagive away the 50 inch. - [mark] oh boy, so you even get a longer table on that one. - [nicole] yeah. - [mark] so sponsoredby powermatic pm1000. it is a beast of a saw that all of us would be lucky to have. except for one guy onfacebook who was like,
"oh, well i've got a,mine is like 220 volt "and five horsepower." - (laughing) stop. - it's like, well okay, well next time, you know, next time we do a giveaway, we'll make sure that it'sbetter than what you have. - no, i mean, it justmeans one less person. - stop being so nice. i would like to be mean tonight,
and you're ruining it. - calm down. - i was getting worked up. - people like that. - okay, so anyway (video skips) 1000, it's awesome. thewoodwhisperer.com/giveaway is where you cant go formore information on that and seriously, enter to win this thing.
- we're gonna start injectingdrama into tww live. - that is what i'velearned from television, is that drama sells. therefore if we startsmacking each other right now, our viewership will (video skips) let us know if you would liketo see us smack each other. it's not a funny... it was a terrible joke. - i'm not gonna hit her.
hard. all right, go sit down lady. thank you. - thanks, bye. - all right, have a good one. she'll be over there. you guys can chat with her. all right so a couplenews items, announcements. we have a new project starting in
the wood whisperer guild right now, so if you're not a member, you may want to go check it out. if not, no harm, no foul. you don't have to. we still have a freesite where you can enjoy some cool stuff. but if you're interested, we're doing a two-fer this time.
it's a chest of drawers and nightstand project. really modern styling,nice straight clean lines. it's a nice unit. i'm gonna be making thatout of bubinga and wenge, and i'll give you a littlepreview of that later on when we do a little "what'sin the shop" segment. go to thewoodwhispererguild.com, a little bit more about that.
and i'll tell you (video skips) nicole, how are you doing over there? - [nicole] i'm doing great. - why don't you pick me a winner, and i will give this personaccess to this project tonight for free. and if you're already a guild member, we'll just give you anotherproject, how about that. so if you pick someone who happens to be
a guild member, they're not out of luck. but give me a name. if you want me to wait a little bit. (nicole talking off-screen) - okay, so just so you know, if you are in the chatroomon the wood whisperer, or if you've beenparticipating on youtube, you gotta say something in the comments, chat area of youtube
in order for her to see your name. so if you've said something there, you have a chance to win this. and we'll pick a winner inthe next couple of minutes. so we'll return to thatwhen the time comes. we also have a new,couple of new websites. the wood whisperer, ifyou haven't been there in the last couple of weeks, you might have missed the change.
we have a brand new website that's very mobile friendly and responsive, brilliantly coded bygood buddy john funke, he's the man. he is, let's call him the david marks of website construction, how about that? he's kind of like a genius. uh, but yeah. real good dude, did a great job with it.
we also have a new website for wood talk. if you are a fan of the wood talk show and there's probably atleast one of you in there that listen to wood talk. go to woodtalkshow.com, and you'll see we've got some new digs. very basic there, nothing fancy, just a new home for us to keep everything related to the show.
it's kind of turning into a big thing, and we need a space to grow. so, yes, nicole? - [nicole] you wantedme to give you a name. - yeah, give me the name. who won this chest of drawers? - brandon morgan. - because your wifegave you the television to watch this.
- sweet. so wait, i thought peoplewere having problems streaming this live on the tv. - i don't know. he's watching it on the tv. - [mark] interesting. - [nicole] becausehis wife gave him the tv to watch it. - well, congratulations forhaving an understanding wife, and also having a newmembership to the guild. - i'm gonna set him up with the project
in the guild. so we just need his email address. and if you want, a preferred username. that's fine. otherwise, i'll call you big daddy b dog. what's his name? - [nicole] brandon. - yeah, big daddy b dog. anyway, all right.
here's the other thing i want to do, is to give a few thank yous to a couple special people. uh, let's see. javier villanova emailedme a couple weeks ago and said, "hey, i do t-shirts." you want to go to villanovadesign.com. he says, "i do some t-shirts, "and if you want one, pick one out
"and i'll send it to you. "i know you're a t-shirt guy." so the shirt i'm wearing right here is a beautiful design that he had there, and i thought it was really really cool with the twin towers andthe statue of liberty, sort of a nice silhouette design. so i really appreciate that, javier. thank you very much.
again, villanovadesign.com. he's got quite a few items up there that you might want to check out. i'd also like to thank a nice gentleman by the name of bill russell, who happens to be a fantastic carver. he sent me this awesome christmas ornament with an old man santa, chilling out there.
how nice is that, right? bill russell is thegentleman who does this work, and he put a... we sent out for superfans, we sent out little thank you cards, christmas cards essentiallyto super fan guild members, and he cut the card up and put it into the ornament showingme and my family there, which is absolutely brilliant.
but look at the detailon this thing, guys. this is great. i only wish i could do that. man, if i did that, itwould look like a troll with a red hat on. that's what it would look like. but this is absolutely gorgeous. thank you so much, bill. he sent me pictures as well,
of some of his othercarvings that he's done. the man has got some skill. well done, sir, and thank you. okay, i'm back. all right, so let's move on to our featured viewer project. now at the wood whisperer website, if you want to, you cansubmit pictures of your work, and we show them off to the world.
it's kind of a good wayto get some feedback, and some pats on the back to let you know you did a good job, which is always fun. and we get tons of these, so if you do submit oneand it doesn't show up, you know, we have to filter some out just because we would never be able to post them all. so this one in particular is by steve.
it's an audio video equipment rack, and hey, you know what? i'm kind of an av guy myself. i love home theater, and this one is near and dear to my heart because it's not onlyfeaturing great hardware, and i mean in terms ofthe equipment in it, it also features greene and greene. so it's kind of a really good modern blend
of just a classic design, with styling that makessense for modern equipment. pretty cool, so here's what steve says. "i bought some new av equipment, "and felt that it needed a new home. "i've had a real interestin the greene and greene "styling ever since i first was exposed "to their work here on the wood whisperer. "this rack is made from solid cherry
"with ebony accents. "even the drawer bottoms are solid cherry, "a real first for me. "the vertical posts are extruded aluminum for 80/20, along with l brackets "that hold each shelf. "the finish is all waterbased, including the stain." and here's a shot of those l brackets, which is great.
because this is one of thosethings that some purists would absolutely losetheir crap over right now. (laughing) but i love it. it gets the job done, it makes sense for the application, and when you look at it from that angle, that is one gorgeous piece of furniture. well done, steve. i love it.
there's another little shot here for you, if you want to see the close-ups. you can see the blanketchest influence there in the base, and also the handle. you are the man (video skips) so if you want to submit your project and have it shown off, not only on the wood whisperer site, but possibly, when i pick my favorite,
to put into the live show every month, you can submit it atthewoodwhisperer.com/submit. all right, what's next? we're gonna gear up right now. we've got some coolstuff to show off to you. now i'm gonna need a littlecloser camera action, hon. - [nicole] i can help you with that. - let's start with... let's start with woodartistry.com.
how about that? boom. no, that's the submission. - [nicole] plus we havesomething for them. - doi. - we do. oh, yes. woodartistry.com, they sell a lot of neat little hand tools.
they sell the lap sharp sharpening system. you definitely want to gothere and check it out. but i've got a coupleof the smaller hand tool things here to show you. i'll remind you laterabout the offer here. but i'll do it now as well. um, free, what is it, free shipping? to our viewers within the next two weeks. - [nicole] yep, we're gonna leave it open.
- how do we let them knowthat they're our viewers? - [nicole] well, it's free shipping. they turn free shipping on for this show for the viewers. - but it's for everybody. - [nicole] well, yeah, if youfind out about them from us. - what i'm saying is, thepeople who are watching aren't getting anything unique. anyone who goes to thewebsite is getting...
- [nicole] correct. i'm just clarifying. - [nicole] it's because of usthey get the free shipping. - it's not a special. we appreciate it, it's just not a special. am i right? tell me if i'm wrong. - [nicole] it's special. - thank you.
it's very special. but you know what, it doesn't matter. because free shippingon something like this saves you a few bucks onsome really incredible tools. so let's take a look at these. the handle on the side loosens it. no, the big crank here. you probably want to move up a little. keep it loose, just in case.
i'll need you at thecamera for a little bit. so we've got a couple ofreally great tools here. and you'll probablyrecognize some of these. clearly, this is a littlemarking gauge, right? you guys have seen these before. these are just really well built, and the prices aren't too bad. this marking gauge is 39.95, all right, but reallynicely milled shaft here.
now be careful how many times you do that. it looks a little awkward on the camera. just being honest. uh, you've got this carbide tip one here, and the great thing is, whether you prefer sortof your blade style or you prefer the sharp point, you've got both of them,and you can just flip it and get access to both,which is really nice.
all right, so a nice little marking gauge. you use this, and if you're not familiar with a cutting gauge,marking gauge like this, you basically run it along the work piece and use it to scribe lines like that. so you scribe the grain, and this is gonna come in handy later. we're actually gonna do this later in our demo, but it slices so that if you
are cutting let's saythe shoulders of a tenon, you will pre-slice thegrain and prevent tear-out. it's a (video skips) way to do it. i do it all the time. let's see what else we have. i'm gonna save this for later. i'm kind of excited about that. these are trammels. you ever heard of a trammelarm use (video skips)
a lot of times you needto make circles, right? so you use a long platform, maybe put your router on one end, fix the other end andthen just rotate it around with a straight bit andyou can cut circles. you can also use a trammel to draw lines. so these little do-hickeys here, they've got a sharp,same, similar carbide tip thing that was in the marking gauge.
and these are intended to go on a standard 12 inch ruler. check this out. helps if you loosen the stupid screw. put one on one end, now you can put thisone wherever you want it along the length of this bad boy. and then now you have this set up as a trammel.
and you could use this fora couple different things. you could probably just use this to scribe a circle if you want toactually dig into the wood. you could use it pretty much like a set of dividers. you know, so maybe youneed to divide something along a length, youcould set the distance, put it down, and justwalk it across, like this, and get your lengths set.
and each time you move it, you're kind of pushing downto put a little indentation. it's a great way to set updovetails and things like that, where you would normally use dividers. this is another additionaltool that you can add on, and this is a pencil holder that works with the trammel system. now think about if you need to scribe large arcs, circles,large diameters that are
bigger than your normal compassmight be able to handle. right, and you can getvery precise measurements just by using these andlining everything up the way that it should be, like that. fantastic, right? really great stuff, i like that. now, the trammels, i guess they're called trammel ruler stops. this is 45.95 right now.
the marking gauge is 39.95, and the last thing, this is my favorite. this is my faves. look at this. beautiful brass square, (video skips) like this anymore. david marks on woodworks always pulled out this brass square from his pocket, and would use that allthe time on the show
and i've always envied it. and look at this thing. this has some heft to it. nicole, come here, hold this. - [nicole] is that yourfirst brass square? - [mark] hold this. yes, it is. look, look at this. look, she can't evenhold it, it's so heavy.
- [nicole] uh! (both laugh) - [mark] it's super solid. it's a really, really nice piece. it feels good in hand. and that extra weight, you know, when you're actuallychecking things for square, it really gives you avery nice positive feel that lets you know when you're registering
off the surface just right. so for small tools like this, i really like them tobe as heavy as possible and this thing is just gorgeous now. this guy goes for 69.99, alittle bit more expensive, but if you look for acomparable thing like this, maybe from starret, that'swhere my other squares are from, i believe that one runs about 80 bucks. you might look around and finda different price somewhere,
but i quickly looked earlier. so 69.99 for this,considering what it's made of and how well it's made, that's not bad. and i'll tell you what. i really prefer the knurledknob on the outside like this, as opposed to, oh let's see, what's one of the other ones? (nicole speaking off-screen) this type, this type here.
- [nicole] oh yeah, i would too. - [mark] 'cause i find with these, i mean, it's fine. it's, we're talking about, like, again, my classifyingproblems that aren't problems. but it's a creature comfort thing, where this is just a little bit more of a pain in the butt to deal with. i find this being on the outside,
if i need to move it, adjust it or whatever, it's justeasier to tighten and loosen. all right, so good stuff. that's woodartistry.com. now remember, free shipping for everyone. - [nicole] for the next two weeks! - for the next two weeks. a very special free shipping for everyone, because nicole said so.
hey, you can keep itright there, actually. that's a good shot. it shows my receding hairline perfectly. all right, we got one more demo. well, it's not a demo. a little product demo, if you will. this one is called stop loss. speaking of receding hairline, it's not a hairline product,
it's not a hair product. stop loss would be a great name for a hair product that prevents you from going bald. (nicole laughs) all right, stop loss is a product that was designed, and by the way, these products we're talking about here, these are not big companies.
these are like mom and pop shop, as small as it gets, people just making reallygood innovative products. and that's kind of why we do this. we don't charge for this, and this, basicallythey send us the stuff, and we show it to you. so we should probably be very clear about what that relationship is.
but i love being able tohelp companies like this who are just coming up with cool ideas and just trying to makea go at it, you know? so i'm gonna put these on. psh. i've been watching a lotof ink master lately, and all the tattooists, tattooers, - [nicole] tattooers. the tattoo artists usethese black latex gloves
because they're awesome. and that's why i use them. - [nicole] when did you get them? i've had these for awhile. i'm just making crap up, nicole. - [nicole] you didn'tactually go buy them. - i'm trying to be entertaining here. it's not working. okay, so, they came up,
stop loss came up with this product called stop loss bag. here's the interesting thing. my son absolutely loves theselittle vegetable pouches. we can't get him off of them, it's kind of a problem. but they remind me of these. and we even bought these trying to put like home cooked food in these,
and they have a pouchsealer on the bottom, so you actually stuff them with food and try to fool thekid and it never works. but when i saw this, i was like, oh my gosh, my son's gonna see this and he's gonna thinkit's a giant apple juice. which is probably a bad thing. so i would recommend keepingthese away from your children if your children havebeen exposed to these.
stop loss bags is reallyaddressing a problem that a lot of us have. have you ever gone toopen a can of finish, you shake it around and go, oh crap, this things is like, it's solid. there's no liquid in there at all, because it's completely cured. this is something that's gonna help you stop doing that.
now you might think it's okay, this is pretty wasteful,it's a plastic bag. good thing is it's not one time use. once you get all the finish out of there, you can actually reuse it. now i haven't done that yet myself, i can't speak to how well that works. but the concept here is you get this stuff in the bag and it allows you to squeeze
all the air out, put the cap on, and it's air, especially forthese oil-based finishes, it's the air and theoxygen that's gonna cause that stuff to cure. so if you cut off the air, you cut off the oxidation or the um, you know what i'm talking about. the curing process, right? so i'm gonna try here,
and i'm using a very thick finish. epifanes is pretty thick, so hopefully it's gonna go into the bag. if not, this is gonna turn into a horrible demonstration. nicole, can you lower the camera? - [nicole] uh-huh. - so i got two bags to play with. if i screw one up, we've got an extra.
okay, and it's even got a, you can write the productand the date on there. it does say refillable. had to buy a couple ofthese little funnels, and it came with this tube. you know, instructions are for losers, so i didn't read the instructions, but i'm assuming... - [nicole] ha, jerk.
- [mark] i told you, i'm tryingto be argumentative tonight. i think this just goes on here like-a-so. - [nicole] like-a-so? - [mark] like-a-so. look, i'm italian. - [nicole] do you need help? - [mark] and hungarian. all right, there we go. all right, so the ideais you want to be able to
funnel that in there cleanly, and this really shouldn't be too messy. he also sent me a little apparatus for holding a funnel,and the thing fell apart in shipping and i didn'tput it back together. so i'm just hoping i'm not doing this injustice by using a very thick varnish. ooh, look. oh, this stuff is like syrup.
- [mark] epifanes is very very thick. most other finishes, wiping varnish, standard midwax polyurethane, armor seal, these regular oil-based finishes will not be this difficult to funnel down.- [nicole] it looks like maple syrup. - [mark] that's what i said. - [nicole] oh. - [mark] but it's still working. i wonder if it would be better to blow
air into the bag to open it up first. my thought would be less air the better, 'cause you gotta squeezethe air out anyway. all right, so i'll see you guys in about a half hour. - [nicole] do you want me to hold it? - [mark] yeah, nicole, hold that for me. so what i'm gonna do is let that go, we'll put the lid on it, and you know,
i'll let you know how it works out. yeah, actually give it to me. i'll wait til that's done. i need you on the camera. stinky. what do we have next after this? all right, we'll do inthe shop after this. pretty cool, though. i mean, i really want to finish this.
you guys have time, right? you guys aren't doing anything. you're sitting therewatching some goofball on the internet. - [nicole] i feel likethis is how they make space food. (laughs) - [mark] this must be it. oh where's the uh, where's the cap? - [nicole] do you want to just use the cap
off of this? - [mark] yeah. as soon as i find the cap, guys, we'll move on. - [nicole] is that it right there? - [mark] yes, thank you. oh, it's going now. all right, so like i said, thinner finish.
i knew this... i happened to need to get this epifanes in a long-term storage thing, that's why i wanted to do it, even though i know itwould have been better visually to use a thinner finish. but this is fine. so what i'm really curious about is i know it's gonna do a good job,
because any time you, i usually use that spray. - [nicole] bloxygen. - bloxygen, thanks. this girl's been aroundthe woodworking world for awhile. i usually use bloxygen, but this is manuallyremoving all of the air, physically getting itout of the container.
and i know that works. so i'm not questioning whetherit's going to be effective. my question is whether ornot i'm going to be able to reuse these bags inthe way that is claimed. not that i have any reasonto doubt them, but... uh, it's 4.50 a bag, and then you can buy multiple. so if you get four of them, it's 12.60. so it's not too expensive,
but i gotta be able to, i have to able to reuse these things. if i can't reuse them, i can't justify spendingthat kind of money on something just to hold finish. - [nicole] thomas in thechatroom wants to know what about uv light? - uh, uv light isn'tthat much of a factor. i mean, most of the timeyou're gonna put this thing
in a cabinet or something. so i'm trying to justcarefully squeeze out as much of the air as i can. that's probably good enough. put the cap on. a bag of plasma for the local hospital. i think this is gonna be pretty cool. so i will report back. in fact, do you think we should,
we should make thislike a sacrificial thing and just leave it and see how long it goes before it solidifies. - [nicole] yeah, just put it in the back. - and that's actuallya can that's been used quite a bit. we're gonna do a little inthe shop tour real quick, and i'll show you what i'm up to. one of the things is usingthat can of epifanes.
- [nicole] doesn't that saveyou a lot of space, too? especially if you have a lot of cans, i mean you can line them up.- well, heck yeah. if you look at the space that consumes versus a can, you can get a stack of these which is kind of nice. all right, that was fun, huh? - [nicole] carl wants to know,
how would you clean thebag after it's done? i would probably just put a little bit of mineral spirits in there,slosh it around a little bit, and empty it out, put the new finish in. i don't know how long you're gonna be able to go between. so if you don't have another finish ready, i mean, you'll probablywant to flatten it out, actually, in between finishes,that's what i would do.
i would put mineral spirits in there, put the lid back on, squeeze out the air as if it were just finish, and just leave it until it'sready for the next finish, then pull the mineral spirits out and put the new finish in. because i think if youlet it dry at any point, you're in trouble. i think you would want tokeep it in a wet state.
what's that? - [nicole] sharpie, put the date on. - yeah, i've got one right here. what's today's date, the sixth? okay, 2/6/15. and what i'll do is um, i'll use the other one to do a change out, and see how many uses i can effectively get out of it.
but if you're careful about your rinsing, i think it's gonna go well. so now let's do a little in the shop, to kind of give you anidea what's going on in my shop right now, 'cause i'm always keepingbusy for the most part. hey fancy pants. - [nicole] somebody is saying you should (video skips) safer.
- yeah, i'm sure people have. so this is just a little quick tour of what's going on beforewe get into our demo. uh, like i said, january was rough, so i didn't get as much shop time as i normally get, but we had guild build to start that was delayed by a month. so i've been trying to getcaught up at this point.
so what i have are a lot of parts to a chest of drawers. and a night stand. very modern design, we'vegot this little cut-out for the base pieces, like so. and i'm actually doing a chest of drawers and two night stands, so there's quite a fewparts to keep track of here. i've got partially milled mortises
on these guys, these are the legs. and you can see at the bottom here, i've got my trace outfor the larger mortises that go on the bottom. all right, and this iskind of a fun project, not just because of the project itself, but because this is the first time ever on this show that i, orin the guild or anywhere, that i'm using a multi-router.
so, it's something (videoskips) show on the free site, because the multi-routeris a really expensive tool, and i don't feel like getting hammered for talking about an expensive tool, 'cause that's what happens. so the guild is a littlemore tolerant of such things, so we're gonna show them that. but i'm also showing them a way to do it without this type of tool.
just with a router and a table saw, 'cause it's always good toknow the alternative methods. but man, that's an awesome tool. it took me what, a decade? i've been lusting afterthat since the early days of woodworks and finallyin 2015 i got one. so merry christmas to mefor the next 10 years. all right, so that's theproject that's going on. the other thing is, you know,
some projects don't stay out of the shop for as long as you would hope they would. if you want to pan over here, hon. you guys remember the rustic outdoor table that i did not too long ago? the nice little outdoorwestern red cedar piece. well i finished that bad boy using teak oil, which is basically like an outdoor formulation of danish oil.
and it looked good, itactually did protect it, but it's been, it might have even been more than two years now? - [nicole] right around when lexi passed. - oh, okay, so going on two years, right? so this stuff got beat up outside. i just haven't had a chance to really add more finish to it, and to me my furniture is an experiment
because i like to teach people. so i want to know whatfinishes can do what, and i use my own furiture as sort of the sacrificial guineapigs to see what extremes and what happens to other finishes so that i can pass that information off when someone asks me a question. so with these pieces, i took them back in,
sanded them down a little bit, and then saw the finish we were putting in the stop loss bag, i applied some epifanes clear varnish. this is a marine varnish,super high quality, and while i'm not usuallya fan of big thick film finishes, if you maintain them, they can actually be pretty good. pretty durable.
and that's the thing. i don't want this project to explode and to essentially fall apart because it's weathered so bad. so something like this, i do need to protect it from that film. and i don't think i'm gonnado an every year maintenance, you know, so maybe every other year. so i'm varnishing thecrap out of this stuff,
and that's why theseare in the shop now too. so hopefully i'll be ableto get these out of here this week. - [nicole] was that the same stuff you used on the bench? - this? no. i used uh, teak oil. all right, so let's bring it back around,
and we will get into our demo. you're gonna need headphonesat some point, hon. these will be for you. you might not, you'regonna be six feet away, but if you want them. oh, i still have stoploss bags on the screen. - [nicole] so did they see any of it? - oh no, it's just the lower third. it just said stoplossbags.com,
and i'm talking about uh, my table. all right, we will get intoour demo proper, as they say. you are full time on camera now. - [nicole] okay. - got some parts and pieces. speaking of western red cedar, that's what this is. kay. can you stop the recording and restart it?
all right, so the demo portion today is gonna be focused on makinga double mortise and tenon. you guys ready for this? i hope i am, i just madethis stuff up yesterday. okay, so the double mortise and tenon. it's at first glance apretty challenging joint, and i've got an example of it right here. right now i overcut mymortises just because this is for demonstration purposes.
english is definitelynot my first language. uh, check it out. right, side by side, kind of in tandem, tenons and mortises that go together like a glove. - [nicole] why would you want to do... a double? - um, hold on a second. remember the conversation stuff at this
is actually going to makeit difficult to edit. nicole doesn't know theeditors, producers information. who are you again? are you the producer? all right, so, it makes for a really, a really strong joint. and i think the thing is, the question will come up, why do a double mortise and tenon?
in certain (video skips) do think it's going to be stronger. there certainly may becases where it isn't, but when you get into larger pieces where you would be doing one big, thick mortise and tenon joint, doing it this way givesyou more surface area. and when it comes to glue and wood, the more surface area the better.
so it actually willdouble your surface area if you think about it. normally, if this werejust one solid tenon, you'd have glue on this side, glue on this side, andthat's all you'd have. if you split that down the middle and you have two tenons, you now have glue, glue, and then glue on these two interior cheeks,
for a total of four. so that extra surface area, in theory, could, should, mightmake the joint stronger. i'm not making any absolute claims here. so the idea is i just wantto show you the technique so you know how to do it. because there may be atime where it's appropriate to what you're doing. you may think it's crazyand only want to do
single mortise and tenon joints, and that's perfectly fine. but i think it's great to push ourselves and try new things, and that's what this is about. all right, so it starts with making a mortise, and i've gotall my work pieces here. some stuff's pre-cut. i'm gonna cut some stuffright here (video skips)
but we'll cut the mortise first. it's one of those things where the mortise will be cut first andthen we size the tenon to the mortise. so i've got my router over here, nicole's got her headphones. come here, you beautiful router. i love ya. make sure it's good, okay.
do you want to get a closeup real quick of this? so what i've got is a mortise laid out on the board and you can see the, oh, that's not the rightfinger to use here. (laughs) if you look at the outside lines, that's the width of my work piece, right? matches up perfectly. so what i have is a three eighths shoulder all around, so that'swhat all these marks are.
so when i do my actual mortise, i just want my mortise togo from this inner line, to this inner line. and here's the set up. just got it in my work bench. and now i've got a router outfitted with an edge guide, and a three-eighths inch router bit. because my mortises are gonna be
three-eighths of an inch in width. and i'm gonna plunge down about an inch to do this. so my technique wouldbe to set up on my line, plunge down, then i'm gonnamove to the other end, and plunge down, and then i'll start clearing out the space between those two holes. once i have one side done,
i'm gonna move over,flip the piece around, and do the same from the other side, ensuring that both of my mortises are perfectly centered. well, not centered, but equally distant from the outside edges. okay? let's fire this up, and uh... - [nicole] want me totake care of the sound?
- make some saw dust. um, yeah, if you want to. nicole's gonna prevent yourspeakers from blowing out. are you ready? - [nicole] mm-hmm. keep it where it is. volume's back up? all right, so, really nice double mortise. pretty simple, right?
so the way that we translate this now into a tenon is, and this really relies on you having a couple of scrap pieces. you always want scrap pieces of material around so you can do your test cuts, your set up and configurations that way,. so what i recommend you do then, is once you have allyour double mortises cut,
you're gonna take at leastone on a scrap piece, and you're gonna actuallyremove that middle material. make it a full size mortise. doesn't have to be perfect, you just want to makesure there's no material in the middle, becausewe're gonna use that for our first set up at the table saw. so let's take our tenon piece, this is the one we'regonna put the tenon on,
uh, let's head over tothe table saw real quick. what do i need from over there? i will help you in a second. (whistling) okay, i get this, you get that. ♫we're walking, we're walking, ♫we're walking, walking, walking♫ (nicole hums) we're gonna go over here.
i like this. now, when you're actuallydoing this for yourself, chances are you have a lotof these mortises to make, so make all of your double mortises first. before you move the router, right? keep the router locked in, make sure all thosedouble mortises are done. then you go to your test piece, make the double mortise,
and then move the setting on your guide to get that center section out. if you do that movement first, then you screw up your setting, and you're not gonna be able to produce the rest of the doublemortises that you need to do. so you kind of want to batch, think in terms of batching the stuff out. so i've also taken the tenon piece,
and i put some marks on there based on what i think they're gonna be. remember, i said a three-eighths shoulder on each one of these pieces. i also know that i want the mortise to be about an inch deep. so even though this is like a total power tool method here, i'm gonna be using my marking gauge,
my cutting gauge, to cut across the grain. it just makes for better results, even at the table saw. all right, and this guyjust works really well, super easy. want to pan down here. once it's set at whateverparticular setting you want, slice across the grain. it makes a nice clean cut.
right, and that little knife cut is gonna be a lot more accurate for us for (video skips) table saw, which we'll do right now. the first cut we're gonna do here is to establish theshoulder of this tenon. so we're gonna cut all the way around using the table saw. so the first thing i do (video skips)
blade so it's up aboutthree-eighths of an inch to create that shoulder. and that's easily done if you have your pencil marks here. you can move closer, hon. - [nicole] i was trying not to wobble. - [mark] if you have yourpencil marks on the side, you can just kind of visualize looking from this angle,
and get your height, which mine is, look at that. pre-set already. right to that pencil line. so we know the height is good. now we need to set the fence. bring the fence in. and now i just want to cut a shoulder line all the way around.
so i'm just gonna bring the fence in along with my miter gauge here, and line up my teeth with the cut line. and that looks pretty good. a little bit more. i will make this cut. i need some eye protection. (nicole speaking of screen) - [nicole] we havebabies that are sleeping.
- [mark] sleepy babies. i love the babies. okay, we're good? okay, we need volume again. and then pull back. okay, so with the perimeter established all the way around, theshoulder is pretty much where we need it to be. that cut line where the marking gauge
really helps give you a nice crisp edge so we're gonna switch now. we're gonna go away from the miter gauge. we're gonna use a very specialized tool. a tenoning jig. now, tenoning jigs are pretty beefy, and they're not that expensive. they're like 70 bucks, 80 bucks you can get them on amazon.
if i could just getthis in the miter slot, that'd be great. here's the other coolthing about a tenoning jig. they're actually fairlystraightforward to make, if you felt like making your own. all you really need issome sort of a cradle to saddle your fence, whatever style fence you have, and you're gonna mimicwhat this thing does.
in fact, let me show you what it does. it rides in the miter slot. if you're making one for yourself, it's probably gonna ride on your fence, so like i said, it just kind of u shapes, cradles, and then you just have a platform that goes pretty high. because the idea is you'rerunning these pieces vertically now.
so you just need a stopin the back that's square, and a platform for it to ride against, and a means to clamp it. even just a hand clamp would work. so that's essentially whatthis is doing in one shot. you've got that platform, you've got a clamping system, and a back fence that'skeeping you at 90 degrees. and it allows us to very safely run
the work piece verticallyacross that blade. which normally would be a dicey, dicey proposition. in this case it isn't. so this style rides in that miter slot. before i do that, i want to raise my blade, right? because now the cut is vertical, i want to make sure i'm at least
cutting (video skips) -urf we just made for that shoulder. so let's raise this up. just a quick tip if you'regonna do a lot of this stuff, get yourself either a ripping blade that has a square tooth in it, and that's probably good. either a ripping bladethat has a square tooth, or a square ground blade.
this is a forest blade that works great for things like finger joints, because that'll give you a nice instead of the alternating bevel thing that kind of gives you angular cuts, this gives you nice square cuts, it's great for joinery. if you don't have this, it's fine, you just have a littlemore chisel work to do.
visibility on this is gonnabe a little bit rough. i'm just trying to think what the best vantage point is because all the action is kind of happening right along here. we'll do the best we can. nicole, if you want to justcome to the front of the saw. probably a better angle for them. or as close to it as you can get. kay, so i'm gonna lock this guy down
in the jig. make sure it's nice and flat against both the back and the side. tighten it up. now i want to push it forward so it's pretty close to the blade. i want to get a tooth right up on it. and now i'm looking at the line here that i marked representing the outer walls
of that mortise. remember, we're focusing on the um, and i showed you this before, right? we're worried about these two lines now. we're not so worried aboutthe details on the inside. almost treat it as if you'remaking a single tenon. all right, so that's pretty close. in fact it's probablyas close as i want to go on the first shot.
so let me go ahead and make the cut, and what i'll do ismake a cut on one side, remove the piece, flip it around, and make a second cut on the other side. so the great thing about this is because you're cutting with the grainin this vertical position, look how clean those results are. that is one of the cleanesttenon cheeks you'll ever see. unless you're hitting itwith a hand plane afterwards.
all right, so here'sthe fit we're going for. all right, that's a little tight. so this is one of thosesneak up exercises, where you really justwant to cut and test it. and so we do have totake a little bit more. i was very cautious there. and you know, in the context of a demo, sometimes i tend to overshoot because i want to get to the end,
i want to get to the prize. all right, so the micro-adjustment on this is pretty good too. and what i need to do is essentially pull this piece into the blade a ltitle bit. so i'm gonna loosen the main knob here, and excuse my giant head in the way. this is probably good for now. my screw here is not engaging properly.
let's try it again. okay, so you see that? that's pretty darn good. it's what you call a slick fit. all right, so there's a little, pro- it actually might be a little bit loose. but i don't care. cause it's good enough for me. it's good enough.
so now that we have that setting, the good thing is our shoulder, three-eighths of an inch here, it's also three-eighths on the other side. so while we've got this set up, we should go ahead andmake these two side cuts. so i'll make those real fast. it just requires me to hold the piece sideways like this.
so i gotta bring myclamp all the way back. same thing as before. make one cut, flip, make a second cut. i'll wait for you to turn the volume down. right, so that's pretty good. so now, again, really nice fit. so at this point you would go to one of your double mortises, and we're gonna get reference lines
from that actual set of mortises here. so you want, try to get apretty good close up shot of that so they can seewhat's happening here. the goal now is to center that tenon as close as you can in the mortise. that's pretty good to my eye. and then take a sharp pencil, and mark the inside wall locations. and i'm off to the side because i don't
want to put my head in the way. but let me look real quick. i've got it, i've marked it out so that if i kind of bisect that pencil line, i should be pretty close. all right, so the idea is we now need to remove this middle portion from our tenon. let's head back to the tenoning jig. lock it in.
pull it up. okay, and now i'm going to once again pull it toward me. i might be a little bitcautious on this one. so we may have a second cut to do. we'll turn the volume downand we'll keep it down, even if i have to makea second round of cuts just to make it simple for you. right, but now that that's line up,
make our cut. all right, bring the volume back up. and this is exactly why you need to be cautious with this stuff. because i thought iwas being more cautious than i was, but check it out. done. all right, i don't usually like to hit it i like to sneak up on it so that,
that's a little too close for comfort. that could have easily goneand been way way too loose. but check it out. that's good. now, you could probablybe a little bit more snug than that but that's nottoo bad for, considering. so let's head back to the work bench. (coughs) excuse me.
that's what happens whenyou don't wear a respirator. ♫we're walking, we're walking...♫ how you holding up, hon? - [nicole] fine. - [mark] good? hello, there. okay, let's wrap this thing up. so now, i actually haveovercut my mortises a little bit because i knew for the sake
of a demo i didn't wantto do all the finer detail stuff. but normally if you cut your mortise to a particular length, you're gonna have that rounded mortise square tenon problem. which means you'll justhave to take a chisel to just work the ends ofthis and round them off so that it's slick in there.
chances are you're gonna have also, it isn't gonna seat all the way, and we have that situation here, right? we've got a little bit of a gap there. the reason for that isbecause around the perimeter where the table saw cuts meet, there's always gonna be just,if you're being cautious, there's always gonna bea little bit of material that you can't get rid of.
the easiest way to get rid of those is to use a couple of chisels. let's go ahead and do this right here. let's see if we can't get this thing to seat perfectly beforewe call it a night. i like to finish a story, you know? so around the edges, you've just got a littlebit of material here which you can get by simplypushing in along the shoulder.
and then down along the cheek. it'll snap right off. my final pass, go acrossthis way, roughly. do the same thing. it's actually not that much. if it's really just a tiny amount, you can simply scrapealong like i'm doing now. pry it away. the biggest problem withthis that you're probaby
gonna have is the area between the tenons, and my buddy will bepan sent me a picture of a double forked chiselthat i've never seen before. i called it a tuning fork. the mysterious japanese tuning fork. but essentially we're goingto want to clean this out. and this is a really soft wood. it's a western red cedar, so when you try and chisel it
across the grain like this, it's like chiseling cardboard. that's why i'm not abig fan of soft woods. okay, let me approach from this side. - [nicole] it hurts my teeth. - [mark] it hurts your teeth? well, that's weird. - [nicole] the sound. - [mark] oh.
(mark laughs) i'm almost done. it may not be perfect, it'll be better. but i don't want to hurt nicole's teeth. that should be a concernfor me on every project. am i hurting nicole's teeth? yes, yes i am. here we go. that's better.
still got a hairline gap, but a little bit morecleanup with a chisel would take care of that. all right, so the key with this process, just go back up the center. good? so the key with this process is knowing when to do the batch out part of it. so i explained before whatto do with your mortises.
well you have to think about that with the tenons as well. once i have those outer dimensions set and we tested with the open mortise, and we thought that that was good, and i cleaned up theoutside short shoulders, you would want to takeall your work pieces, run them all through with that setting. and then, once that's,that's the only time
you want to mess with that setting is once all of them are done. and now we would focus onremoving the middle material, and then once again, you batchthem all through that way. so you can't just... i try to give a more realistic view of how this would go. because you're not changingsettings left and right. once you get something locked in,
batch them out, and then only after everything'sdone do you move on. so double mortise and tenon joint, you know it's actually not that hard. if you can make a single mortise, you can do a double mortise. you just have to know the order of steps and the tools that you use to do it. and again, tenoningjig, not that expensive.
but if you don't want to buy one, you can build one out of plywood and it's gonna work pretty darn well. i should say that a lot of the inspiration for this came from me looking for some double mortise and tenon joints concerning something i was gonnado but backed away from on the chest of drawers project. and i found a wood magazine article,
and one of the thingsthat was a little bit confusing to me was exactlyhow you size these perfectly. and this article, i put a linkin the show notes for this, is what gave me the tipof cutting the mortise for width like thisfirst, in the test piece, making sure that fits and then addressing the inner cheeks of the tenon. so that, it's like a watermelon burp. what's up with that?
so, uh, yeah, thank you to wood magazine for giving me the ideaand inspiration for that. i got to give them credit. i think it was a greatidea for a great method. so it's up to you. if you want to try it, double mortise and tenons are pretty cool, and at the very least, your friends will be pretty impressed.
even if it doesn't make a joint stronger, which it might. maybe it won't, i don't know. but that's a great way to do it. so, we can do an open q&a. it can be about this technique. whatever information i canpossibly answer for you. but we can also do q&a aboutanything and everything. 7:04, nicole's gonna have to go inside,
but i will hang aroundand chat with you guys for another 15 minutes or so. or if matteo's asleep, do you just want to shoot me questions? - [nicole] yeah, yeah. - all right, nicole's gonna stay with us. the kid's already asleep. ah, water. let me get a chair for myself.
oh you know what, weshould also do this too. q&a stuff. by the way, if you wantto get in touch with us, contact info just in general. - [nicole]someone said there would be pie and punch. - someone said therewould be pie and punch. actually, i do have a slice of pie. it's sitting in the house. so yeah, contact info,thewoodwhisperer.com is our website.
you can always ask us questions at #twwlive. that doesn't get used that much. maybe we'll stop doing that. - [nicole] what about the giveaway? - uh, @woodwhisperer on twitter, and facebook.com/thewoodwhisperer if you want to keep upwith the latest happenings. - [nicole] we already gave the...
he was asking aboutwhat about the giveaway? - [mark] they're late. no giveaway for you, you're late. - [nicole] we gave it away earlier. - [mark] gave it away, gaveit away, gave it away now. - [nicole] brandon morgan. - [mark] yeah, brandonmorgan got the guild project. - [nicole] but theystill get free shipping. - but everybody getsfree shipping at uh...
hold on, woodartistry.com. free shipping for everyone! - [nicole] brandon actually wants to know, "i'll be going to a hardwood dealer "for the first time next week, "any tips i need to know?" - no questions for brandon. he won something, hedoesn't get a question. they're going to the hardwooddealer for the first time?
- [nicole] he's goingto the hardwood dealer for the first time. - okay, go to the wood whisperer website, and look at episode two? it's early. early, early stuff. we have a video calledlike, "selecting lumber" or something. - [nicole] did you tellthem about the new website?
- i did. yeah, you were busy. uh, we have a video on that that is out there andintended to be exactly that. just to give you some tips and tricks, things that you might need to know. because lumber stores, like lumber dealers and shops like that, they sometimes are difficult to understand
if you've never done it before, you don't know what toexpect with their process. and a lot of times unless you're a pro, it's hard to kind of get theattention that you deserve. so it's good to know howto speak their language make your experience there easier, knowing what they expect. and if you've got someof that terminology down, it's gonna make yourlife a whole lot easier.
so yeah, watch that video. - [nicole] where do you wantme to send these questions? - oh, you can send them through gmail. i don't need this anymore. yeah, i'm on gmail. just shoot them over there. boy, these things are pointy. ooh wee. what's wrong?
- [nicole] i'm just trying to send you, because i don't have mine (inaudible) - oh, we're waiting for nicole. so, let's talk. what did you guys think of framework, and ellen's design show? did you catch the interviewwe just did on wood talk with brandon gore? that was good fun.
brandon's a good guy. he actually is from tempe, i guess. phoenix, tempe, it's all the same thing. but he came out to the shop, and we were able to doan interview in person. it's kind of cool. lucky that he actually livesin the same town as me, so that made the wholething a whole lot easier. but yeah, really good guy.
i think he's very, he's gota very interesting look, and i think he's uh, that he's good for that show. got some questions for me? - [nicole] i'm trying to cut and paste, and nothing's working. - bloop. "how do we become a good woodworker? "i mean, to start, real basic."
practice? i mean, the only way tobecome a good woodworker is to do woodworking. and i think in our world of information being readily accessible,constantly accessible, it can be very easy to get sort of stuck in the information seeking stage, and you don't necessarily get into the building stage as much as you should.
so that would be my advice, is to get a couple of basic tools, get some information. you need information to help guide you, if you can find someone local directly who can help you, that's great. if you know a friend or family member who has some woodworking skill, they can teach you, that'd be great.
but you just got to get in the shop and start making sawdust. that's the only way toget good at woodworking, is to do it. i mean, it's kind of a vague answer, but it's also a vague question. you just got to get in thereand start cutting wood. - [nicole] pick a project. - well yeah, that's great advice, is,
pick something you want. like do you need a cuttingboard for your house? do you need a new chair? don't be limited by beginner projects, because beginner projects, that's bs. you can build just about anything you want assuming you have the proper instruction to get you there. so pick a project you truly want.
and the fact that you want it will actually make you more invested in the building process. and it means that youwill probably learn more along the way. so pick something you want, go out there and make it. and if it isn't perfect, give it to someone else,and then try again.
and when it does come outgood, then you can keep it. that's what i do. jean michael dubais? that was the guy thatjust asked that question. okay, the way the spacing is on this is a little wacky. - [nicole] next one's lance woodshop. - yeah, lance woodshop and adventures. what kind of adventures, lance?
i want to know. do you go on horseback? do you go spelunking? he goes on adventures. you know what kind of adventures i go on? sometimes i poop in a public restroom. that's my big idea of an adventure. "spraying latex paint with hvlp. "challenges, what are your thoughts?"
i got my wife laughing over there. that's how i know i hitthe mark, my friends. hvlp spraying latex. i'll be honest, i don't do it much. i don't enjoy it, it's oneof the more challenging things to spray. a lot of times you have to uh... there's a product outthere called flotrol, and probably other thinning products
that you can use to thin it out so that it atomizes properly. but generally you need a pretty powerful system to do it. you know, if you're using a turbine, a four-stage unit is probably a good idea. and you've really got to get that mix down to a consistency that'sconducive to spraying. for me, if i'm gonna go latex,
i'm probably just gonnause an airless sprayer. airless sprayers just kind of pump and squirt the stuff out, and that's a little bit more conducive to a thick-bodied finish like paint. so for me personally, i just don't spray. i mean, part of the reason is i don't have a calling for latex very much in my work.
so it's just something i don't do, and haven't had the needto get good at spraying it. but as far as i'm concerned, it's something i wouldrather use a different tool to do it with. but do more research. i'm just saying that i'm not the person to give you the bestadvice for latex paint. ed draper.
"does nicole have any hobbies?" yes. nicole is an avid gamer. and in fact, she games way more than i do. there's times i'll just, i'm toast after a long day, and i just want to vegout in front of the tv, and she's in there playing warcraft. we're both avid gamers,
but she's definitely thebigger gamer in the family. uh, what are your other hobbies? she likes crafts andlong walks on the beach. - [nicole] i do like crafts. - she likes crafts. - [nicole] baking. - she loves to bake. she, you know what, one of her hobbies is the wood whisperer.
quite honestly, she likes it. so like building the apps, and doing things andexperimenting with our business and different marketing ideas, she gets a real kick out of it. that's something that she finds fun. you know, and that's why she's good at it. so technically, it'snot technically a hobby because it's what she does for work,
- [nicole] podcasting (inaudible)- [mark] but she really enjoys it. - she does a little segment on a show called the morningstream with scott johnson and brian ibbott. and she does, what isit, movie recomentals. so she gives you things that you can watch on like netflix anddownloadable streaming services. so basically stuff that wewatched during the week, she goes in and she's like,
"here, (video skips) it's pretty good. she also flies helicopters. and enjoys exotic piercing. neither of those are true. let's see, what else we got? "where did you get your multi-router?" i got it, uh, mm... i can't remember where i ordered it from.
i may have ordered itfrom highland woodworking. yeah, i think i ordered it from highland. don't quote me on that,i'm not 100 percent sure, but i think i got it from highland. i ordered it from william,that's right, yes. i was at the william ngschool either teaching or taking a class, and we had used it enough, it was the blacker house chair project.
that was the one thatpushed me over the edge and made me want it. and the thing with the multi-router is a lot of the people whouse them also sell them, and get a commission fee. so i knew that williamwas someone who sold them, so i bought it throughhim so that he would get the cut. thank you, i totally forgot about that.
♫questions, questions, questions. ♫keep them coming, questions. ♫i want some more questions.♫ hey, the viewers tonight are good. 457. - [nicole] nice. - by the way, this uh,doing it at this time of day (video skips) we weregetting a lot of flack for doing it earlier,
but it comes down toour personal schedules, you know, we've got a family, and a kid that comes home from school and needs to be taken care of. so it's hard for us to do evenings. but if the response is consistently good, and we get the numbers we hope for, which is pushing about 500, then it's justifiablefor us to get somebody
to watch our son and puthim down on a friday night. and judging from thosenumbers, that's promising. so i think we may be stuck withthis later time frame, hon. fire and forge. kind of sounds like aplace i'd go for pizza. "what's a good, cheapproduct to start with "in power carving with an angle grinder? "what is the best attachment?" did you ask me a question like that
somewhere else recently? i remember someone asking me about things other than arbortech is a lower cost way to get into power carving. - [nicole] didn't we havea whole section on it? like where you showed the attachments? - yeah, we did talk about it. there's a... yeah, you know, go tothe wood whisperer site
and go to the power carving session, and then also use thesearch and just search for power carving. and maybe even search for arbortech, and you'll find me talkingabout those things. but i'm going to show you specifically what i would recommend. the arbortech blades and the turboplane, things like that are really nice.
but you could findthese burr cutter heads. now this is a lancelot. it's not the cheapest one out there. they do make cheaper versions of these. and they're sort of thisdoughnut shaped creation. these work great. they're basically like really aggressive metal sandpaper. so even though i have the turboplane
and arbortech's other industrial carver, those are really, really heavy duty and they remove stock like really fast. so i will go down to these when i want to be a little bit more, i sort of want to do more finesse work, and ease up to a line andreally finesse a curve. so there's no reasonwhy you can't just get coarse versions like this one
on a angle grinder, andit's gonna work great. you know, i can't... i really think if you'reremoving a lot of material, it's gonna take a littlebit longer when you use one of these burrs. but there's no reason whyyou can't start with these, and they're really not all that expensive. you don't have to necessarilyhave to get the ones from (video skips) tools.
and if it's the same guy, he asked me about the onethat looks like a chainsaw. i think that's it, the lancelot carver. i may have misnamed those. they have another corny name. but the lancelot carveris a little scary for me. i didn't enjoy using it, and i gave it to someone. and i know we talked about this.
- [nicole] you gave away one on the show. - yeah, i think it was one of our early live, tww live sessions. i wish i could get itoff the top of my head, but i can't. so go back on the wood whisperer site. maybe click on the community tab on the wood whispererand look for the tww live episode archive there,
and you should find it there. "how often do you getout to take a woodworking "class somewhere? "and as a follow up, have you ever taught "at one of the schools?" we just mentioned william ng. i've taught at williamng a number of times, and i've taken classesat william ng school a number of times.
great place, it's over in anaheim. it's a five hour, six hour drive for me. if i don't have to fly, i'm there. so it's not only by default, because it's the closestwoodworking school for me, other than the furniturecraftsmanship place that just opened inphoenix like last year, which i have to check out. anyway, william's a great guy,
brilliant woodworker and brings in some really great woodworkers to teach classes. i think he just had jeff miller there, or will have jeff miller there soon. darrell peart teaches there. david marks used to teach there. great facility too, and i love william. he's a great guy. so i have taught there andtaken classes there as well.
and usually about once a year, and quite frankly this is the time of year that i typically do go away and take a week long class. last year it was the blacker house chair, and i haven't put anything on a schedule yet this year. but i want to. nicole's pretty cool about that, too.
she's like, "go, get out of here. "who needs you?" alexandra, dree, alexander,alexandray, guerten. "do you have a favoritecontestant on framework?" i love them all. i like jory. jory strikes me as just a reasonable guy with an incredible amount of talent. so in terms of what theeditors have shown us,
who these people are, whether they are reallylike that or it's just the cut-up sound biteversion of who they are, i don't know, but jory seems like a darn nice guy and a heck of a craftsman. so i would say he's probably my favorite, if i were to pick one. and you know what, who's the other guy? the guy that's labeled as the jerk.
'cause he's real mean and cocky. freddy. that's his name. i like him, too. and the reason i like him is because i like people who are inthese reality tv shows who kind of see it from anoutside perspective of like, "this is game, and i'm justgonna screw with people." and i think it's funny, to me.
i think it's entertaining. i'm sure he's probably amuch nicer guy in person, if you actually had a chance to meet him. but i like what he'sdoing in that environment, because it just, it makes me laugh. okay, ben878, "are there any good books "that you suggest for chair building, "or other books?" you know, i don't have anybooks on chair building.
if jeff miller hasanything that he's written on chair building, you maywant to check that out. jeff miller's the man. and i've learned a lot from him just in blog posts and magazine articles. he does know his wayaround a chair or two. so i would start there, frankly. i don't have anyrecommendation beyond that. as for general books,
it kind of depends onwhat you're looking for. there's a lot ofwoodworking books out there. i'm a big fan of just about anything chris schwarz writes. i am into finishing, so ihave a lot of finishing books. you know what, there'salso a good book out there called hybrid woodworking thatyou might want to check out. written by (video skips) it gets very quiet.
so i don't know if you've had a chance to look at my book, but if you're interested in hybrid hand tool and power toolwoodworking techniques, hybrid woodworking is a good choice. uh, you know what, let'sgo take a look real quick. i will show you. - the collection? - yeah, show you what's in my drawers.
this is where i keep mostof my woodworking books. there's some in my office as well. man, there is a lot of stuff in here. i've got a bunch of tauntoncomplete illulstrated guides, those are sort of the bookshelf ones that you keep around forever. let's do it this way. i've got handplane essentials, big volume by popular woodworking,
the wood writes book. fine woodworking designbooks are fantastic. you're not gonna get anytechniques from that, but you will get inspirationfor how to build, you know, just different design ideas. these are just fantastic. this one is old and ratty'cause i got it used. uh, a lot of finishing books here, great wood finishes by jewitt.
greene and greene furniture. love this, a marquetryodyssey by silas kopf. great guy. had a chance to meet him. arts and crafts furniture. i tend to go mostly forinspiration in my books, actually, if you lookacross the board here. newer authors like unpluggedwoodshop by tom fidgen. and handmade furniture, rafael nathan.
the creative woodworker, i've got tommy mcdonald's rough cut books. civil war woodworking. we talked about that ina live show in the past. let's see. the guy who, john kelsey edited my book. really really good woodworker. he sent me a couple of old books that he wrote a long time ago.
making joints in a masteringwoodworking series. and cutting shapes and profiles, and he was one of theco-authors on that book. that's good stuff. here's a fun one. handmade skateboard by matt berger. matt berger used to workfor fine woodworking and now lives incalifornia and is a hippie. and he just makes skateboards.
but really fantastic book. and hey, look at this. if you look at the back, there's a little quotefrom mark spagnuolo, the wood whisperer. right above a quote from nick offerman. i don't know how they put me on top, but i'll take it. um so yeah, there's just somany good books out there.
it's hard for me to recommend one. all right, what do we got? - [nicole] there's like three new ones. - oh, i'm cutting my head off. - [nicole] starting with wayne micka. - "mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho." okay, here we go. let's try and rip through these. we'll give it aboutfive more minutes, okay?
"is there any advantage or disadvantage "to going with the doubletenon versus drawbored? "would there be anapplication where you would "pick one versus the other?" well, i think drawboring is a good idea in just about any situation, shoot. why can't you, why can'tyou drawbore a double tenon? i don't see any reasonwhy you couldn't do both. kay, the drawbore isjust a pin going through
and actually pulling thatjoint nice and tight. so if i were really goingfor exceptional strength, i might consider thedouble mortise and tenon with a drawbore. but generally speaking, when you go for drawboreis in applications where failure is a risk. put it this way. you can drawbore anymortise and tenon joint,
and it then becomes strongerand will last longer is kind of the bottom line. but sometimes it's just not necessary. so the times that we tend to do it are when a failure could be an issue. in cases like chairs. that's one of the best examples, because if a chair fails, it's gonna fail whensomeone's sitting on it.
that's bad news. so usually that's theone where you want to bring out the big guns and do your best work like that, and a drawbore is probablya good application for that. but don't be afraid todrawbore everything, if you want to put the time in. charlie gauge. sounds like someone froma mortal kombat game.
"charlie gauge." "would the double tenon using a domino "work as well, or be as strong?" i don't know that, i can't make claimsabout strength like that. that's a very difficult thing for me to take a guess at. because i don't know. they would have to be tested on various
wood species and you couldstill doubt the results. i think you can get a very similar joint with a good quality double domino joint. in fact, that's one of the great things about the domino isthey make a double joint like this painless. because all we would have had to do is cut the board to the shoulder line, wherever it is it wouldjust be cut to that length.
put the domino on this side, vroop, turn it over, broop, and drop our tenon in there. you know, if you have areally wide one like this, you can actually do four of them in a configuration oflike two side-by-side, and two below that, side-by-side. the dowelmax is another example of where using multiples like that
just with traditional dowel joinery can be exceptionally strong. so yeah, i do think you can get there with the domino. and if the space is wideenough to accomodate multiple dominoes, do it. because you're getting more surface area and ultimately a stronger joint. "what are your thoughts on japanese saws,
"such as a dozuki for handcut dovetails "versus a lie nielsen or a veritas saw?" well, my thoughts are use what works. use what you have first. and if that for whateverreason isn't working for you, try something else. they can all work. i know people who will cut dovetails with saws that the purists in our groups
would never pick up anduse for that purpose. but a saw is a saw. if you know how to wield it, you can get decent results with it. but you can certainly stackthe cards in your favor by getting a good quality dovetail saw with minimal to no set, so that you get a nice razor sharp line. so for me personally, i'm a big fan...
i do like using my dozuki, but i don't like it for dovetails. i tend to use westernsaws for joinery tabs, so i've got all my western saws up here. my dozuki is more or less a utility saw, but it doesn't have to be that way. there are certainly great japanese saws that would work well forjoinery purposes like that. my personal preference just fell on the
western saw side, so i use lie nielsen. i could just as easily be using veritas and be perfectly happy with it. but try them, you know? you might really likecutting on the pull stroke. a lot of times that's the deciding factor. sometimes people use a western saw, and they're struggling and they just can't
get good dovetails, and then they go to a school or something, or a friend brings over a japanese saw, and suddenly lightbulb turns on, and they go "oh my gosh, "i can suddenly cut straighton the pull stroke." because their body mechanicsdictate it, i don't know. so it's worth trying them all out. "does your homeowner'sassociation give you
"any problems about yourshop or shop noise?" no, they don't. our hoa gives us plenty of trouble about our garbage cans beingout like an hour too long. or if a plant dies in the front yard and we didn't replaceit within 30 seconds. - [nicole] the air force takes (inaudible) - but we are in a very noise tolerant area because we're soclose to an air force base.
so in this neighborhood,noise just isn't an issue. and i only typically woodworkduring business hours, and i'm like, tonight, i would never run my dust collection this late at night. but honestly if i did, i doubt it would be a problem. we're also fortunate tohave quite a bit of space between our houses so sound has a good opportunity to dissipatebefore it actually
gets to anybody else's house. and for the three or four times a year that people in this neighborhood have huge parties til likemidnight with live bands in their backyards, they can suck it. because my dust collector's gonna turn on when i want it to turn on. so there. but yeah, we're fortunate to be in a very
noise tolerant neighborhood. "what chair build would you recommend "for an intermediate woodworker that wants "to step up his game?" that's a tough one. there's a lot of chairs out there. see the thing is with a chair, you can go very basic andthen sort of reinforce your fundamentals inmortise and tenon joinery,
and then maybe you have a couple interesting angles that need to be cut. but it might not be themost comfortable chair. it may just kind oflook like a very generic mission style chair. but fairly easy to construct, so that's a good way to get your feet wet in the world of chair building. but then you might want to go to something
that has a little bitmore of a slant back. maybe you want somethingwith curved back rails, or even a curved crest rail, and the headrest has a nice shape to it. so now you're thinking okay, am i cutting curves or ami doing bent lamination? now we need to have tenons on the ends of curved pieces, and that steps it up to the next level.
so it really depends on what you consider the next level. but look at the chairs. each chair kind of hasits own set of techniques and challenges that you may or may not be ready for. but ultimately there areeven the most basic chairs out there that youshould be able to jump in with a basic knoweldge set,
gain the confidence thatyou can build a chair, and then move on to the next thing. but if you're looking tojust get into the world of beginner chairs, look into some shaker style chairs, and look into mission style chairs. i think those will, you know, they stay, especially the mission style stays in the world of square.
maybe i shouldn't have said shaker, because then you'restarting to get into things that might look more like a windsor chair, and that's a whole different element. "what's your least usedpower tool in the shop?" my hollow chisel mortiser. the hollow chisel mortiser is, and that was a questionby thomas cancellari, it's a great tool.
but when i've got a routerthat i use all the time, and i've got a domino and now i've got the multi-router which won't, like i said won't beon the show very much, but i still use it. you know, i just don'thave a calling for it very much so it doescollect dust, unfortunately. i use my lathe more than iuse my hollow chisel mortiser. that tells you something.
question about the chairwas from david gunn, by the way. sherry h. you know, our favorite waitress is sherry. is this the same sherry? you know, there aren't thatmany of them in the world. just saying. "do you have any pointers for someone "who's thinking of switching a profession
"from auto tech to woodworker?" sherry, i'm definitely not the best person to give business advice. in fact, if you go tomy website and search for business advice, you'll find an article of me at length explaining why i'm notthe best person to give... - [nicole] that's the name of the article. why i don't give business... - yeah, whyi don't give woodworking business advice.
because i make my living as a podcaster, as a content producer, as a person who talks topeople all over the world, like with a camera in his shop by himself and looks like a crazy person. so i'm a little bitout of touch these days with what it actuallytakes to make a true living as an independent furnituremaker or woodworker. so i just have to kind of bow out of
answering a question likethat because i'm just i don't want to steer youin the wrong direction. i can give you some information about my early experiences, but i'll tell you, when we first started, this is all in that article. when we first started, we struggled. and i had to go back to work, because i couldn't get the amount of money
nicole needed me to get in order for us to pay our mortgage so ihad to get another job. and i really struggled to make ends meet. - [nicole] and it's cherry h, not sherry. - cherry h. so it's not even, itmight not even be a woman. you should change your name. it's very confusing to me. i feel dirty now.
um, all right, cherry h that was. that's very funny. devildog91. "can you put up a minimal list of tools "for the sculpted rocker build coming up? "it looks like it will be exciting." yeah, i will as soon asi have the brain space to do it, devil dog. i know it's coming up in may,
but my brain is on one thing right now, and sometimes i have trouble detaching. i could tell you you're gonna want, right off the bat, you'regonna want a band saw. for sure. i'm gonna probably make extensive use out of my table saw and jointer, the stock needs to bemilled down initially, so the planer.
and we will be using a lotof carving tools and rasps. so yeah, i'll try to put up a tool list as soon as i can. okay, stephen bennett. "i plan on making an outdoor bench, "and saw you just made one. "how do you plan on protectingthe vice, the vices? "from the residual moisture?" i think you might haveme confused with someone,
because i thought you were talking about like an outdoor sitting bench, but when you say vices, it sounds like you'retalking about an outdoor woodworking bench. i don't know what you speak of, sir. i did not (video skips)a bench with vices. correct me if i'm wrong. a. brennan.
"do you feel the top andbottom of the mortise "need to be snug? "glen and chuck from 360 woodworking "say to leave it loose tomake it easier to line up." let me see. the top and bottom of themortise need to be snug? oh, you're talking about um... you're talking about, when you say top andbottom of the mortise,
you're talking about one end to the other? i usually make mine a little bit loose. i would say i'm in agreementwith glen and chuck in that regard because unless you get them absolutely perfect,'cause most of the time, what are you doing? probably something like this, right? so if that's even slightly off, it's gonna have a lip up here that
you're gonna have to deal with. so the idea is if you makeit just a little bit loose, and we're not talking a lot, maybe a 32nd of an inch on either side, what that gives you is the opportunity to adjust this piece, let'ssay it's an apron to a table, you can adjust it up and down until it's nice and flush. if you aim for perfection,
chances are you'll be slightly off, and being slightly off is bad because you'll either be a little proud, or a little below the surface. so yes, i, and if that'swhat you're talking about, totally agree. i like to leave a little bit of slack because then as i'm doing my assembly, once these two pieces are together,
i just get my dead blow hammer, tap it up, tap it down, make it nice and flush at the top and i'm good to go. you know, just as an add-on to that, if you are using somethinglike a joinery system, like a domino or dowelmax, a lot of times you don't haveto worry about that so much. those things are perfectly indexed
and the joy of using those systems is that they're perfect. so you don't have to worry about giving yourself slack. you could, but you don't have to because most of the timeit's gonna line up dead on every time. and if your'e that good with your joinery, you might have the same situation.
but most of have a littlebit of wiggle room there, and you don't need much, again. just a little bit. (nonsense singing) what's this, the last one? - [nicole] there's two. - okay alexand kosarev. sounds russian. "which would you recommend for a beginner?
"wait, which wood you wouldrecommend for a beginner?" my recommendation for a beginner is whatever wood you can get the most of for the least amount of money. you need wood to cut and practice with. don't worry so much aboutthe finished look of it. there's always time toget really expensive wood later but you have to get practice. so you shouldn't be spendinga lot of money on it,
and you need quite a bit of it. so i always say whateveryou can get the most of and typically if you're in the us, that's gonna be your domestics. your pines, poplar actually. i prefer poplar over pine. because if you're gonnabe working with hardwoods, you want something alittle bit more dense. but there's nothing wrong with pine.
if you feel like going through the trouble of sourcing pallet stock, you can get some interestingspecies that way, but it's usually free. so yeah, there's a lotof things you can get, but make it cheap, andmake sure it's something you can get quite a bit of it. woodworking in america this year. uh, you know, it'sdefinitely a possibility,
a real good possibilitybecause it's in kansas city, we have good reason to go there. we've got friends inkansas city, and family, so it makes it a good dual-purpose trip. but i haven't committed yet, so i don't know 100 percent for sure. it's just these days man, travel, just getting harder andharder for me to do. all right, one more.
- [nicole] i have one- well, i have a clarifying from stephen. - stephen. - [nicole] about the vice. - oh yes, the outdoor bench vice question. - [nicole] yes. - it's just skin, stephen. stephen bennett. "no, i was mistaken, imust have read that wrong.
"i do plan on making anoutdoor woodworking bench "because i live in orange county, "and weather is always so nice, "and i am very limited on space." well all i can say inregards to your question is, you know, ask the person who you thought you were talking to. no, just kidding. if you have metal vices,it's like anything else.
you've just gotta findprotectants to put on it, so maybe like a t-9 boeshield, is something that has worked for me, but i'm not one to speakon the subject of rust. i'm very fortunate in arizona to not have that as much of a problem. but there are rust preventative products out there that you absolutely are gonna want to look into,
especially if you're, southern california, orange county area. you've got a lot of that ocean air coming across your doorstep. so definitely use rust protectant. the big magazinesperiodically will do a review of the latest and greatestprotectants out there and how well they work. dig those up, see if you can find those
and get some product recommendations. forum is good for that, too. wood talk online is our forum, and you could find a lotof good advice there. oh, you threw another one in there? okay, so this is the last one? - sailorbear77. were you born in 77, sailor bear? so was i.
"mark, i've just started watching you "about a month ago. "i love your style and your content. "i can't make the paypaldonation site work. "get it fixed." what? - [nicole] because the fan funding. the fan funding thing that youtube-- - can you clarify what you mean by that?
because the only paypal donation links we have officially setup are for wood talk. so if that's broken, i'dlike to know about that, but we've gotten a few inthe last couple of days. so if you're talking aboutthe fan funding thing on youtube, that's very new. and do we even know if that's set up? - [nicole] uh, it says it's set up. - yeah but if it's not,
like what, how would they pay us if we haven't set it up? - [nicole] i don't know. - so maybe it is, whetherwe want it to or not, it's there but we haven't quite connected all the dots behind the scenes. so if you could sailorbear77, clarify what link you're talking about and we'll get on it.
cool. all right, well i think that wraps it up. hey, thank you everybody. this was a blast. i hope you enjoyed it. and in case you haven't noticed, this time we cut out a lot of the what's going on around the web type stuff. that was something i really had fun doing,
playing video clips and telling you about videos that i've come across. but as i look at the broad scene of things going on out there, i don't like to duplicate effort. i like to try to addsomething unique to the mix. and there's already acouple people out there now doing "hey this is what'sgoing on in woodworking "in case you missed these videos,"
and we even do it onwood talk, our podcast. so i figure you know what, it just feels like i'mspinning my wheels on that. it feels like a waste of time. so what i'm doing instead is just focusing on a good demo, showing you some cool products that you may not know about, and giving you somequick heads up for things internally that are goingon for the wood whisperer.
that'll make it much more concise, clean, more time for q&a like we had today, and i think it's gonna be a better overall experience for a live show. so nicole, you want tocome and say goodbye? we're gonna head out of here. camera's low. this is perfect. you know, i've been filming videos for
a long time now, and it makes me prettygood at framing a shot. is that better? very professional.(chair scraping on floor) that wasn't me farting by the way. (chair scraping on floor) that was. well, thank you everybody. we really appreciate it.
and uh, thewoodwhisperer.com/giveaway if you want to win something for free. pm1000 table saw, what? - and i have a festool product next month. - festool. oh by the way, next year, drop that hint. we're gonna have a newthing called weekend... what is it? wood talk weekend?
- wood talk weekend. i thought we were gonnatry to do it this year. we're gonna do it next year. and if you're interestedin something like that, it's gonna be an in person event here at my shop with shannonand matt from wood talk, my co-hosts, my bffs, mypics, my partners in crime. and we're all gonna behere to teach classes in my shop, two daysof intensive learning,
very beginner friendly so people who are concerned about that, don't be. it should be a really great experience. the thing is we're probablyonly going to be able to limit it to like 18 slots. - 16. - 18. she acts like she knows everything. it's 18.
- are you sure? - yes, it has to beevenly divisible by three. - oh, yeah. - anyway, 18 slots. not (video skips) but who knows, maybe we'll do it multiple times a year if it's really popular. - i'll be filming it. - nicole will be there.
we'll have a couple people helping out because we're gonna capture it all, and also make virtual tickets available for people who can't make it, so for one low price you'll be able to get all of the videos after the event happens. which is kind of cool. so if you're interested in that, hey shoot us an email,
let us know what you think. but that's on the plans for next year. probably this time next year, february march time frame. so thank you everybody, we appreciate you hanging with us. wow, this has been a long session. - holy smokes. - your voice is going.
- yeah, it is. i'm gonna be, sound likekathleen turner all night. all right, thanks everybody. - [mark] see ya.- [nicole] bye. - i'm gonna go get some pie. and some punch.